“Shorten Swing” Like An Elite Hitter (Not What You Think)
Ask any “self-proclaimed” hitting coach what a “short swing” is, and you’ll get many differing interpretations. I think the problem is found in the debate of feel versus real. If you ask professional and MLB hitters what they’re trying to do, and they’ll use phrases like:
“I’m trying to stay short to the ball”, or
“I’m trying to be compact”...
The challenge is these examples are so vague, they’re widely open to interpretation. And give coaches that kind of slack, and they tend to “hang” their hitters. For instance, take the following swing example of Kris Bryant:
Some coaches will say his swing is too long, and that ONLY Big Leaguers can have swings like this. This is an EXCUSE. Albert Pujols, Alex Rodriguez, and Mark McGwire have been quoted as saying they swing/swung down on the ball.
You see, what elite hitters are feeling, and what we’re actually seeing on slow motion video (what’s real) can be two totally different things. So how do we get our hitters to “swing shorter”, like Kris Bryant…?
…without using hitting aids, and using effective external coaching cues, which science says are far superior than internal ones (CLICK HERE to read this post about that). Without further adieu, here’s the…
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To People That Want To Fix Baseball Swing Mechanics Slow Motion But Can’t Get Started
With permission from Dad, I wanted to share 9-year-old Thomas P.’s hitting journey after 12 baseball swing mechanics slow motion online video feedback sessions with me at The Feedback Lab.
We started session #1 January 18th, 2016, and finished session #12 June 2nd, 2016. The video above is an actual Feedback Session I routinely do for my online hitting students.
I’m so proud of Thomas persevering through the struggle and frustration that comes with honing effective mechanics.
AND, the same can be said for Scot, his Dad, who’s persevered right alongside his son. Not to mention how much Scot learned in the process…
How to train Thomas in these mechanics at home,
How to offer just the right amount of feedback, and
Finding out when too much is too much when it comes to learning a new skill.
In this video post, I wanted to share:
How far Thomas’s swing has come,
What he’s working on next, and
Some of the ‘Ah-Ha Moments’ for Thomas along the way…
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The main objective of this post is to show parents what baseball swing mechanics slow motion online video feedback sessions look like at The Feedback Lab. Not only do we accept baseball, but softball hitters as well!
PLEASE NOTE: Thomas is still on the journey, his swing isn’t perfectly clean yet. This is only a 5-month snapshot of how far his swing has come. Don’t judge his swing at this point in time, celebrate it! Also, as you’ll find out, just because he moved away from a high leg kick, doesn’t mean I HATE high leg kicks. It just wasn’t working for Thomas’s swing, timing-wise.
CLICK HERE to view and/or download Thomas’s custom “Marching Orders” PDF that I build for each of my hitters after each baseball swing mechanics slow motion feedback session.
How Far Thomas’s Swing has Come (in his 12 baseball swing mechanics slow motion feedback sessions)
I always like to use the ‘Pat & Pop Method’ when giving feedback to my hitters…’Pat’ is the pat on the back, and the ‘Pop’ is the pop in the mouth.
When I first started with Thomas, he had some good elements already working for him:
Forward Momentum (high leg kick),
Head Position (not breaking Dr. Kelly Starrett’s the One-Joint Rule), and
On the ‘Pop’ side of things, these were the mission critical things we had to begin tweaking:
Build stability in stance and setup,
Being better at swinging within the strike zone (plate discipline),
Calibrating solid rhythm and stride timing, and
Maximizing tension/compression forces within his small frame (racing back elbow bat drag).
I am confident to say that, over these past 5 months of baseball swing mechanics slow motion online video feedback sessions, Thomas has:
Built a more stable stance setup,
Developed a better sense of his strike zone (swinging at better pitches),
Gone away from his inconsistent leg kick timing to more of a slide step (he’s barreling the ball more often), and
Banished his racing back elbow bat drag (he’s been smashing the ball according to his Zepp sensor).
Here’s a quote from Dad talking about his jump in Bat Speed at Impact using the Zepp app…
“He started in mid 30’s, I would say his average is 46-47 now. He hits a very occasional speed of 50 when he puts it all together, which is seldom.”
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Here are the polish points I included in Thomas’s current baseball swing mechanics slow motion video feedback session marching orders (CLICK HERE to download the PDF):
Plate discipline,
Being more balanced on his finish,
Finger Pressure, and
Letting the ‘barrel chase the ball’ post-impact.
#1 is a journey, and NEVER a destination.
With #2, it’s amazing how being ‘silent’ helps hitters be more efficient (CLICK HERE for this Breaking Muscle article on the ‘silent’ concept).
#3 because he’s still wanting to do top hand release way too early. We’re working on keeping both hands on the bat into his finish now. He’ll add another 2 to 4-mph of Ball Exit Speed by not letting go too early.
#4, he’s not letting his barrel naturally finish and extend on the pitch plane, which will cause him to be susceptible to missing off-speed and breaking balls.
Some of the ‘Ah-Ha Moments’ for Thomas Along the Way
Here are a few coaching moments I felt were turning points for Thomas (and Dad) as we moved through the baseball swing mechanics slow motion Feedback Lab online video lesson program:
At first, Scot (Thomas’s dad) was sending me video once per week, which I found – after about 6-weeks – wasn’t allowing Thomas enough time to practice the changes. Once we moved to a video once every two weeks, Thomas’s swing started changing by leaps and bounds(and frequency here depends on the age, amount of practice, and level of the hitter).
Thomas is having a challenge to repeat his mechanics in games, so I shared this post with Scot, basically to only take 3-5 swing rounds, of which are high intensity swings, during practice sessions.
Shifting from having an swing outcome focus (what ball is doing off bat) versus a movement execution focus. In the beginning, I tell my hitters I don’t care what the ball is doing off the bat…I care MORE about if they’re repeating the movements I want them to repeat. In other words, if they swing and miss, but keep both hands on the bat through finish, with top hand finger pressure (in the case of Thomas), then that’s an “A” swing.
There were multiple times when both Thomas and Dad were frustrated with Thomas’s progress. And it’s during this time when words of encouragement such as embracing the struggle, taking a day or two off from hitting, getting back to the hitting objectives in the Marching Orders, etc. are crucial. The process gets overwhelming when we’re attempting to eat the elephant ALL AT ONCE.
I have quite a few other hitters online and off that are doing real well, and I let them know I’m VERY proud of them too, but I wanted to highlight Thomas’s story because most baseball swing mechanics slow motion video lesson cases on the bell curve look like his. The story of ineptitude and woe…
But it DOES get better…IF the hitter puts in the work, and in the right direction.
It DOES NOT matter whether we’re talking girls v. boys, a 9yo v. a 21yo, a big hitter v. a smaller hitter. The system works predictably.
Swing Smarter by Moving Better 😉
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Anatomy of ‘on path bottom half’
Why are pitchers taught to keep the ball down in the zone? And,
How to train hitting the bottom half…
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Anatomy of ‘On Path Bottom Half’
Should the barrel be level to the ground during the swing? Should it be down to the ball? Should it be up to the ball?
Baseball pitchers stand on a mound (if regulation) set up to 10-inches. If we have a 6-foot pitcher with an overhand release, let’s say his arm adds another foot-in-a-half, then we have about a 8.5 foot above flat ground release point. In addition to the target being a squatting catcher between 45-60 feet away.
The imaginary line connecting the pitcher’s release point to the catcher’s glove is what I like to call the Pitch-Plane, or plane of the pitch.
In fastpitch softball, the Pitch-Plane isn’t quite so drastic, but because of Gravitational Forces, the ball has to travel in an arc nevertheless.
Our objective as coaches is to get baseball batting mechanics to match the plane of the incoming pitch with the barrel.
You can also see from the eFastball.com graphic that line drives and productive balls in the air are hit using the bottom half of the ball.
Why are Pitcher’s Taught to Keep the Ball Down in the Zone?
This baseball batting mechanics chart illustrates the importance of backspin on a batted ball. The higher the degree, the more backspin being created. Photo courtesy: BackSpinTee.com
Pitchers keep the ball down in the zone to get hitters striking the top half of the ball. And to create an element of deception.
Pitchers know that ground balls are outs 95% of the time in High School. In college and professional baseball, ground balls are outs 98-99% of the time.
The reality is, a 90-mph fastball drops 4 feet before it gets to the catcher. This equates to about a 5-degree downward trajectory. To the hitter, the ball may seem “flat”, but Gravitational Forces are instantly at work pulling the ball down after the pitcher releases it.
That’s only a fastball. In baseball, we can see up to a 20-degree downward pitch plane when the pitcher throws a breaking ball!
The other thing that’s happening immediately after the pitcher’s release, is the ball starts to slow down because of a myriad of factors, a couple being Gravitational Forces, and the humidity (or lack thereof) in the air.
In other words, the ball may be leaving the pitcher’s hand at 90-mph, but by the time it reaches the catcher’s glove, it’s lost maybe 4 to 6-mph.
How to Train Hitting the Bottom Half
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Taylor Gardner told me a story about when his hitting mentor Matt Nokes was telling him of when Hank Aaron, shortly after retiring, was ‘touring’ MLB ballparks taking batting practice and playing home run derby.
Hank Aaron wound up crossing paths with Matt Nokes, where a young Nokes asked him what he was trying to do when he hit. Hank Aaron shared that he was always attempting to hit the bottom half of the baseball.
Traditional batting tees can promote baseball batting mechanics that hit the top half, especially with younger hitters, because they generally fear hitting the tee and knocking it over.
This can have a cascade effect, mechanically speaking, causing a hitter to swing down on the ball.
The BackSpin Tee turns the traditional tee upside down…literally. Try and swing up or down on a BackSpin Tee and you’ll hit the rubber tee cone, miss the ball completely, and/or get a weak result. Instant feedback. Ineffective outcomes.
The BackSpin Tee promotes ‘On Path Bottom Half’.
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PART-1:[YOU ARE HERE] BackSpin Batting Tee: The Ugly Truth Interview with Taylor Gardner
One of the most frustrating things for coaches I’m in touch with (myself included) is finding minds that think alike when it comes to applying human movement science to hitting.
In other words, how do we separate the “weeds” from the grass? Below is an interview I did with one of the three hitting and movement experts, Taylor Gardner and his innovative batting tee.
First a brief introduction…
Taylor Gardner is the inventor of the Backspin batting tee (I carry the Backspin Tee at TheStartingLineupStore.com), that received “Best In Show” Awards at the 2015 American Baseball Coaches Association (ABCA) Convention in Orlando, Florida. The baseball hitting tee concept is really simple really, practice hitting the bottom half of the ball (see video above).
At the convention, Taylor had a coach come up to his booth, take swings off his Backspin batting tee, and said that it was nearly impossible to swing “down” on the ball, because of the batting tee design.
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…If youth hitters aren’t coached properly, then they’ll default to hitting the top half of the ball, to avoid knocking the tee over. Taylor’s Backspin baseball hitting tee turn this ugly truth on it’s head…literally 😛
Not only did Taylor breath new life into the batting tee, but he’s a student of hitting. He uses human movement science like we do. I met him on my Facebook fanpage, and after a couple interactions, I had to interview him for the HPL blog…
Taylor Gardner BackSpin Baseball Hitting Tee Interview…
If you were to train me for four weeks for a HUGE tournament and had a million dollars on the line, what would the training look like? What if I trained for eight weeks?
TG: With 4-weeks of training…
…we would have time to adjust any swing path flaws with video analysis so that everyone was seeing the same movements. We would do positional strength test to show if their are any weak points in the swing that might be causing a dropping barrel.
Your grip would be looked at to ensure that at contact both wrist were close to 90 degrees, and then keep that grip (don’t just change it for comfort).
Simple soft-toss from in front would show any basic timing issues, as well as your ability to get in position to the ball on time to use a proper swing path. Bad positioning at landing can cause hitters to change their swings regardless.
I practice a “1st baseman” drill where you train your eyes to step towards a ball before you catch it (Learned from Barry Bonds) to help your body learn how to get to the pitch more efficiently.
Depending on how good your timing, body positions, and swing path were, we could then move onto any movements in the body that might need more exaggeration, for example: if you were very stiff with your legs, and had a hard time getting to lower pitches, we could do variations of tee work and soft toss to exaggerate that one body movement, and these same techniques would apply if you had connection problems with your arms, hands, head movement, etc that may need to be fixed more quickly.
After your technique is sufficient in the 4 week time frame, I would have you learn how to “time” a pitcher and practice different fastball speeds. For example: if you are facing mostly 80mph pitching and slower, we would practice speeds of batting practice (with the new exaggerated movements now set) that were no quicker than .47 seconds out of the pitcher’s hand to the front of the plate (a simple stopwatch would get us close).
If you were facing 90mph then we would train your stride timing to adjust to .40 seconds, but no faster. Pitcher’s don’t accidentally throw their fastest pitch 10mph faster….In the 4 weeks we would conquer the technique of the swing first before seeing live pitching. You came to change your swing, and 4 weeks is plenty of time to make physical adjustments, the rest of the time would be focused on the timing and reaction to positions in the zone.
If I had 8-weeks with you,
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…we would take the same approach, I don’t believe their are quick fixes, unless your swing is already close to doing the right movements, but I would ask you questions about the approach at the plate, and we would keep it as simple as possible. The pitcher throws his fastball 70%+ most of the time, so you can trust that that is what you will see.
You can always buy time (wait) in the swing, but you cannot speed up faster than your body will allow. You would learn to set your timing approach up to hit that particular pitcher’s speed, then time your stride accordingly. Some hitters need to wait longer, or start sooner depending on their tendencies.
Your set up (assuming isn’t an issue) would be able to swing level to a high pitch (considered a pitcher’s mistake in Pro ball) because it is the easiest pitch to get to the bottom half of the ball, and would learn to adjust to the height adjustment of off speed and swing to the pitch accordingly.
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Every physical movement that would be instructed would have your own style to it. There is no cookie cutter swing, only movements (and maybe some variations of those movements) that were backed by facts and studied knowledge that can be performed by the human body.
Getting on path with the pitch, hitting the middle/bottom half of the ball at a contact point that is proven for max energy connection into the ball would be taught. How high or low you consistently hit balls (angles) is more important than pulling it or going to opposite field. This has been proven time, and time again.
What makes you different? Who trained you or influenced you?
TG: Matt Nokes (Silver Slugger Award Winner, New York Yankees) Boots Day (Montreal Expos, and knew Ted Williams), Jarrett Gardner, Professional Pitching Coach
What are your favorite instructional books or resources on the subject? If people had to teach themselves, what would you suggest they use?
TG: DVD-Pyramid Of Hitting. Training tool-The Back Spin Batting Tee.
What are the biggest mistakes and myths you see in hitting? What are the biggest wastes of time?
TG: Hit the top of the ball to make it rise with backspin. Soft-toss from behind the hitter. Your hips are your main source for power. Quick hands. Pulling with the bottom hand, and pushing with the top hand. You can stay “through” a ball longer if you try, the ball only stays on the bat .0007 seconds, no matter how you hit it. Swing down and through a ball. Keep your hands inside the ball. Get your foot down early. You have to have a straight front leg to hit. You have to rotate your back foot for power. “Don’t worry about timing, just react to the pitcher.” Foul off offspeed and wait for fastball. They all are a waste of time, and I can explain how.
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Thank you Taylor!
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Hit Training: What Your Hitting Instructor Won’t Tell You & How It Can Save You Time And Money
Before we dig into 9yo Ethan’s hit training case study 3-part series, I wanted to RANT on something that transpired this past week. Where does the MAJORITY of power come from? I recently posted this on Facebook:
Where does the MAJORITY of consistent power come from in the #Baseball and #Softball swing?A) Legs,B) Hips…
The comments under this post were a little confirmation bias because my readers – who know my hit training teachings – not shockingly responded with “C”. Please note: the keyword is “majority” in that question. Unlike my readers – who know better, in the social media reality I can tell you the majority teach the legs and/or hips (pelvis) to be the main driver of power.
This is what your hitting instructor won’t tell you and can save you time and money: Legs and/or hips aren’t the main drivers of power.
The hips (or better yet – the pelvis) are a start, making up 1/3 of the spinal engine. And I can prove it with REAL science! If you haven’t already, then please check out the following two posts, and you’ll see my reasoning:
The week prior, I debated with a few “leg/hip drives majority of power” hit training gurus on Twitter, and I posed this question,
“Do legs drive the spinal engine, or does the spinal engine drive the legs?”
And I followed that question up with the following statement:
“The answer to that question will determine credibility in hitting mechanic circles” (something to that effect)
That caught some off guard. Bold statement another well known said. “Yes. It is,” I responded. Tis’ the facts. Some ask me, aren’t you afraid others will take this information, claim it without attribution, and take all the glory? I say no, because Hitting Guru #57 is too stubborn to listen and learn. They clutch to their hitting dogmas like a rich woman and her Prada walking through the “ghetto”. And last time I checked, opinions ARE NOT facts.
Do you know how many Physical Therapists, Doctor MD’s, Physicists, Chiropractors, Engineers, and other Body Workers follow me? A LOT! If I was full of it – as my wife says – do you think THEY would be following me and offering kudos to what I’m doing?
Okay, RANT over. Let’s move onto a young 9-year-old hitter, Ethan, that I’m VERY proud of. He’s put in so much hard work, bought into the process (which is key), and has made fantastic strides with his swing in less than 6 short months…pun intended 😛
In this 3-part series we’ll be covering:
Ethan case study The Feedback Lab online hit training video [YOU ARE HERE],
In Part-1 (tippy-top video above), Hit Training: Catapult Loading System Like Andrew McCutchen [9yo 6-Month Case Study], we’ll be discussing:
How far Ethan’s swing has come,
What he’s working on next, and
Follow up notes about Ethan’s progress…
PLEASE NOTE: Ethan is still on the journey, his swing isn’t perfectly clean yet. This is only a 6-month snapshot of how far his swing has come. Don’t be that “guy” and judge his swing at this point in time, celebrate it!
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I keep notes on all my online hit training hitters at The Feedback Lab. Here are a few things Ethan had working well for him before we started (Thanks Peter! – he’s dad btw):
Forward Momentum,
Good space between feet before the turn, and
Decent barrel path, not extreme down or up.
In Ethan’s first online hit training with me, I wanted to start working with him on:
Fast forwarding over the past six months together (six total online hit training sessions), our working strategy methodically moved to other human movement principles such as:
Downhill Shoulder Angle – I’m sorry but the video for this linked post mysteriously disappeared from my YouTube channel, and
Taking Slack Out of The System – I don’t have a blog post on this yet, but it has to do with ‘hiding hands’ from the pitcher, and lengthening out the front arm at landing, similar to Perry Husband’s arm bar.
By the way, I don’t typically cover this much in such a short period of time with a 9-year-old, but Ethan was ON IT!! Diligent with getting in his 4-5 days per week, for at least 5-mins per day. He worked the process like a ROCK STAR, and is one of the many reasons I’m so proud of him 😀 Ethan is a coaches dream client!
What’s that famous quote…? “Hard work beats talent when talent doesn’t show up.” Yah, that’s Ethan.
Now, let’s move on to…
What Ethan’s Working on Next…
As many of you coaches or instructors who do hit training for a living, every hitter has one or two things their brain/body doesn’t want to give up easily. These stubborn challenges don’t go away without a fight. Here are Ethan’s:
Showing numbers to the pitcher at landing, and
Taking Slack Out of the System to landing.
You’ll see in Part-2 of this series when we look at high level MLB hitters, the key to these two human movement principles is to get that “shape” at stride landing.
Okay, so let’s move on to…
Follow up Notes about Ethan’s Progress…
Here’s some of the hit training dialog over the past few months between Peter (dad) and I via email…
“Joey, hope all is well and you’re enjoying the summer. Attached is Ethan latest video from this weekend. We took a week off while on vacation at the end of June, but Ethan’s been great the last three weeks getting in 5-6 sessions a week. He really likes these round of drills and tells me he’s feeling more power. You’ll see he’s changed up his stance a bit. He made that change naturally while working through the drills. Thanks Joey looking forward to your feedback!” – Peter (Mon, Jul 16, 2018)
After sharing these particular hit training “marching orders”, Peter said this…
“Thanks Joey, great feedback and analysis as always. The great part is that I’m also learning from you as we continue along. As I was getting ready to send you the last video I was seeing a lot of what you discussed in your analysis; keeping the shoulder angle and showing numbers to landing, and the top hand coming off way too soon. But I was struck by the consistency with his swing, every one had good barrel angle at landing, head movement after landing is way down and as you mentioned you can really see a much more confident swing! Thanks again Joey, we couldn’t be happier! Looking forward to getting back at it! Talk again in a few weeks!” – Peter (Thursday, Jul 19, 2018)
And finally, after sending the most recent “tippy top” hit training video analysis above to Ethan and Peter, and after asking permission to share that video with you all, Peter said this…
“Joey, absolutely, we’d be honored and he’ll be so excited. It’s funny because I was also going to send you a note today. We did the taking the slack out drill for the first time yesterday, ran through it doing break it apart and then we always finish up our sessions with about 30 soft toss balls. The first soft toss ball he did it beautifully and he just says “oh wow”, I asked him if he felt the difference and his eyes light up and he says “oh yeah, I crushed it but didn’t even feel the ball it just jumped off the bat.” Thanks for everything Joey! Looking forward to seeing the blog post!” – Peter (Wednesday, September 5, 2018)
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3 Shocking Mistakes Killing Your Effortless Power
You guys are in for a treat… (also, make time to go through the comments at the end of the blog post. There are a ton with REALLY good information!!)
I wanted to share with you a 1991 article published in Hardball Magazine about hitting. Keep in mind that video motion analysis was virtually non-existent at that time. Video cameras resembled what Michael J. Fox held in the movie Back To The Future 😛 lol
The information contained in the following two pages is eerily similar to what we talk about here at HPL. Even down to the “buzz” words used. And just to let you know, the ‘3 Shocking Mistakes…” are covered in the below article. By the way, I’ve never come into contact with the gentleman I’m about to introduce until now…
The author of the published post, Jim Sullivan (J.D.), has accumulated the following credentials with his hitters over the last couple decades (from his website: Hitting4Contracts.com):
7 First Round Draft Choices,
$20,000,000 (million) in Signing Bonuses,
Players Drafted or Signed 60 Times, and
Millions in Scholarships.
And he did this completely under the radar. As he said, to escape coaches punishing his hitters in their lineups. My hitters have received the same treatment, much like a lot of yours. Crazy how fragile a 40+ year old male ego is when it comes to hitting!
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One of the hitters J.D. worked with at both the amateur and professional levels was Troy Glaus:
“JD introduced me to key concepts that are essential to my approach to hitting. Concepts that you won’t find anywhere else. I first met him in 1991 and have since spent serious one on one hitting time with him (as both an amateur and pro). I have seen him greatly increase power in not only individual hitters but also entire teams.”
For those that don’t remember Troy Glaus, he was a World Series MVP, American League Home Run Champion, Four Time All Star, 1996 U.S. Olympic Team. Angels #1 Draft Pick 1997, # 3 overall.
J.D. reached out to me via comment on my baseball swing mechanics “Squish the Bug” experiment YouTube video. Without further adieu, here are the two pages of the published article in 1991…
Page 2…
What are your thoughts on the article?
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I often get caught up in my own ways of doing things that I sometimes lose sight of better hitting tips others are using for the same outcomes. I’m not perfect. And I’ll readily admit that I don’t know all the answers. This my wife will surely echo 😉
But I do take pride in submitting and standing on the shoulders of giants. This quote by Ralph Waldo Emerson changed my life:
“As to methods there may be a million and then some, but principles are few. The man who grasps principles can successfully select his own methods. The man who tries methods, ignoring principles, is sure to have trouble.”
Think of methods as “the drills.” This post is for you hitting instructors or coaches who’re applying human movement principles, and successfully selecting your own methods. I want to pick your brain, and hear your thoughts below.
But first, here’s the gist of the hitting tips assignment…
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Ryan Braun staying long on the plane of the pitch. Photo courtesy: SportsWorldNews.com
I want to focus on efficiently increasing barrel time on the plane of the pitch using the Conservation of Angular Momentum. By the way, it doesn’t matter if you come from baseball or softball. So drawing from your teaching experience, what are your thoughts on the following (PLEASE leave your pearls of wisdom in the hitting tips comment section below):
Your go-to hitting drill for boosting barrel time on the pitch plane (pics or vids are welcome),
The best sticky coaching cue (or cues) that you use with young hitters, and/or
Any kind of underground (i.e. DIY) hitting aids that help with boosting barrel time on the pitch plane.
Keep in mind, inefficiencies such as arm barring, bat drag (racing back elbow), rolling over, and staying “attached” through the finish are issues you can address. After a week, I’m going to have my readers vote on the best approach, and we’ll announce a winner. Please share your thoughts in the “Leave a Reply” section below…
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Baseball Batting Cage Drills: Here’s A Quick Way To Hit Less Ground-balls
Question: Does The BackSpin Batting Tee Help Hitters Elevate The Ball?
In this baseball batting cage drills experiment using the Backspin batting tee, I wanted to use the Scientific Method to analyze what would happen to a hitter’s spray chart (ME!!) by taking:
100 swings using a conventional tee (ATEC Single Tuffy Tee), versus
Taking another 100 swing using Taylor and Jarrett Gardner’s BackSpin batting tee.
I’ve done a couple posts promoting what Taylor and Jarrett are doing with the Backspin Tee because I really believe in their product and what it can do for young hitters in getting the batted ball off the ground. Whether we’re talkingbaseball, fast pitch softball, and slow pitch softball…
And to let you know, this experiment has been brewing in my head since the summer of 2015, but the stars just didn’t align…until NOW!
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Okay, so I cheated a little bit…
Before the OFFICIAL baseball batting cage drills swing experiment, I’ve been using the Backspin batting tee with my local hitters and the results have been positive.
And now, I’m making my Hypothesis official…
I think by using the Backspin batting tee, it will allow the hitter to cut down on ground-balls, and will empower them to get more effective at putting the ball in the air (line drives primarily).
In addition, I think that not only will the tee reduce a hitter’s ground-balls, but will contribute to above average line drive launch angles. Average line drives would be within the reach of a fielder.
Baseball Batting Cage Drills: Backspin Batting Tee Experiment
Closeup of the ‘inverted’ rubber cone that holds the baseball or softball. Photo courtesy: TheStartingLineupStore.com
I had two of the same laminated images of the batting cage I was hitting in (Hitting Spray Chart images below).
After each swing, I’d use a Sharpy pen to mark where the batted ball hit first (on the ground or the location on the batting cage netting), right after coming off the bat.
All swings for the baseball batting cage drills experiment were taken off either a Backspin or ATEC Tuffy Single tee.
I used the Backspin batting tee rubber cone for baseballs (they have one for softballs as well).
I stayed as consistent as I could with keeping the ball height and depth the same for both tees.
I used two yellow dimple ball markers to make my stance setup consistent…one was placed inside my back foot, close to the plate. The other was placed one bat’s length plus two baseballs in front of the back marker.
The two tests in the baseball batting cage drills experiment were counter-balanced. Which consisted of eight blocks of 25-swings done in the following order ABBA BAAB. Hitting off the “Backspin Tee” was letter ‘A’, and off the “Conventional Tee” was letter ‘B’. 200 total swings were completed in the experiment, 100 per test. Counter-balancing helps remove the “getting tired” and “not being sufficiently warmed up” factors.
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Data Collected (Hitting Spray Charts)
Backspin Batting Tee Spray Chart:
The Backspin tee spray chart is cleaner and resembles a bit of a tornado…
Conventional Tee Spray Chart:
As you can see, the spray chart is a bit messy…
Data Analysis & Conclusion
The Backspin batting tee spray chart looks much more tidy than the “regular” tee chart (the former looks like a tornado),
You can see when using the conventional tee, I tended to pull the ball to left side of the cage.
There are definitely a higher concentration of batted balls in the above average line drive spots (not within reach of the fielders), using the Backspin batting tee, and
There were more balls hitting the ground or bottom of the cage when using a conventional tee.
Notes
Addressing the excessive of pulled balls using the conventional tee, I thought maybe my tee was moving on me (getting too far out front). I even tried pushing the regular tee slightly deeper than the position I started it in for a couple swings, to counter this, but that wasn’t the issue.
Now, here’s where it gets interesting…remember in the “Setup” section above, I hit on the Backspin Tee (‘A’) FIRST. I started to notice a pattern after switching tees…I didn’t have an issue getting the ball in the air with the Backspin tee, sometimes getting into the pop-fly territory. But what I found was after taking a Backspin tee 25-swing chunk, the first 10-15 swing launch angles off the conventional tee mimicked what I was getting with the Backspin Tee. As the conventional tee round approached the last 10-15 swings, the launch angle slowly creeped downwards into the average line drive arena. So when I repeated TWO conventional tee 25-swing chunks (the BB in the ABBA pattern), by the time I got to the end I was having a hard time getting the ball back up again using the conventional tee. And on the last BAAB 25-swing chunk pattern (last 100 swings), I noticed the same thing emerge.
It was like the “magic” of the Backspin tee wore off after 10 swings into hitting on the conventional tee. My Hypothesis? If I took 100 STRAIGHT swings on a conventional tee, then 100 STRAIGHT on a Backspin tee, I’m willing to bet there would be WAY more ground-balls and average line drives using the conventional tee than I got in this baseball batting cage drills experiment.
The other weird thing (in a good way) I noticed hitting off the Backspin batting tee, was that it trimmed up my spray chart (making it look more like a tornado rather than a cinder block). I rarely pulled the ball towards the left side of the cage hitting off the Backspin tee. And the ones I did pull that way, I’d be willing to bet it was after hitting off the conventional tee. CRAZY!
The Bottom Line?
Well, the baseball batting cage drills experiment data showed that not only did the Backspin tee elevate ball launch angles, but it also cleaned up horizontal outcomes. Meaning, I didn’t hit the ball to the left side of the cage as frequently when using the Backspin tee than I did with the conventional tee when the ball is located virtually in the same position every swing. Also, the “Backspin tee effect” lasted a good 10-15 swings into switching over and using the conventional tee!
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This post takes a deep dive into how to fix hitting too many ground balls in baseball and softball. We discuss which part of the ball to hit if a right handed hitter is grounding out to shortstop too much (second baseman for a lefty), swinging over the top of the ball, rolling over, or has too much wrist roll. Ultimately, you’ll discover how to hit more line drives.
The UGLY Truth About Hitting Ground-Balls
(WARNING: this baseball hitting drills for kids post is a 4,500+ word beast, but your hitters will be grateful you took the time, believe me. Don’t worry, you can thank me later)
PLEASE NOTE: even though I refer to the keywords “baseball hitting drills for kids” in this post quite a bit, it’s not going to give you concrete drills to do. The objective of this post is to be a guide for coaches to more effectively pick drills to help kids hit more line drives. Although, CLICK HERE for one of my favorite posts to help hitters who have higher than average fly ball and ground balls rates to hit more line drives, it’s called ‘paradoxical intention’.
Before getting started, let me preface a couple other points:
Getting the ball in the air is off the table in situational hitting scenarios, such as “hit-and-runs” or “move’em-overs” (but please realize, situational hitting only makes up less than 10-15% of game At-Bats).
Getting the ball in the air doesn’t mean soft – or in some cases medium – fly-balls (we don’t teach hitters to hit soft fly-balls, just like you don’t teach hitters to hit soft ground-balls).
Getting the ball in the air isn’t an extreme uppercut, nor is it an extreme chopping motion (our goal is to match the downward plane of the incoming pitch with the barrel – and YES, even softballs travel down).
Remember, all line drives are “balls in the air”(I know duh, but you wouldn’t believe how many coaches try to outrun their common sense).
Fast-pitch softball coaches, you aren’t off the hook either (the reasons WHY will become more clear as you work through this post).
Without further adieu, the RANT…
Right off the bat (pun intended), I’m going to pick a fight with the following statement, getting the panties of some coaches in a bunch, as we talk about baseball hitting drills for kids – so here goes. Drum roll please…
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Teaching Baseball Hitting Drills For Kids To Primarily Hit Ground Balls Is Dumb
This baseball hitting drills for kids RANT has been brewing in me for some time now, and it came to a boil when I promoted the BackSpin batting tee swing experiment blog post on Facebook, titled “Baseball Batting Cage Drills: A Quick Way To Hit Less Ground-balls“…
You can CLICK HERE to read all the “classic” Facebook comments posted to the BackSpin Tee promo. A flood of baseball hitting drills for kids Facebook comments came in, mostly from coaches…
High School to College…
Baseball to softball…
All chiming in about how lovely it is to teach their hitters to hit the ball on the ground. And claiming how terrible of an idea the Backspin Tee is promoting more productive batted balls in the air. And like I mentioned in the preface above, a line drive is a ball in the air! They had MANY objections:
How many games they’ve won with grounders,
How fielding percentage is way lower than fly-balls,
That it’s much easier to catch a fly ball,
How great outfielders track fly balls,
How more can go wrong with the defense keeping the ball on the ground,
If their team hit more grounders, then they’d score more runs,
How some of the most winningest coaches in college baseball history, Gordie Gillespie and Augie Garrido as examples, stress keeping the ball on the ground to their hitters,
How you HAVE TO TEACH a 5’6″, 135-pound High School hitter to hit the ball on the ground because his batted ball distance maxes out at 250-feet! And,
How even pro coaches and “great hitting instructors” never promote hitting fly-balls.
Does that about cover ALL the objections for WHY hitting a ground-ball is far superior than putting a ball in the air?
On Path, Bottom Half image courtesy: Backspintee.com
Before I get to addressing the above objections with my infamous (more than famous) Bruce Lee one-inch punch, I wanted bring this to your attention first…
You Don’t Put Backspin on a Ball by Swinging Down
Some, not all, of these Facebook comments shared how to put consistent backspin on the ball by swinging down on it.
The keyword in question here is “consistent” backspin. And we’re talking hardball and fast-pitch here, NOT slow pitch. By the way, did you know hitters can put too much backspin on the ball? It’s called a popup! We want the right amount.
These knucklehead coaches even go so far as to believe that young hitters HAVE TO swing down on the ball to get backspin because they’re not “strong enough” to put backspin on it like Major League hitters!!
Watch the 2014 MLB All-Star home-run derby highlights, and notewhich part of the ball these guys are hitting(top half or bottom half?)…
As the Backspin Tee guys say, “on-path bottom-half” is the answer. NEWS FLASH! This is just as true for young small hitters, as it is for MLB hitters. It’s written into the rules of Physics. Can’t break those rules if you’re on earth, sorry. And if YOU STILL don’t believe me, read this MLB article titled, “Jon Lester Shows Importance Of Launch Angle”. The article goes into to say how Lester ranks second among Major League hitting pitchers with an average Ball Exit Speed of 92.5-mph.
So, what’s the problem? Quoted from the article:
“…(He ended up with four hits on the season in 71 plate appearances, a .065/.108/.065 line.) Part of it is that, like many pitchers, contact was an issue — Lester’s 42.3 percent strikeout rate was above the 37.7 percent average for pitchers.”
How could Lester hit the ball so hard without finding much hitting success? Again, quoted from the article:
“…it’s because 19 of Lester’s 24 tracked batted balls failed to get above 7 degrees of launch angle. Sixteen of those 19 failed to even achieve positive launch angle, which is to say that he pounded the ball into the ground constantly.”
In other words, to get the ball in the air, the hitter MUST have a positive launch angle. 10+ degrees as a matter of fact. According to Rob Arthur, author from FiveThirtyEight:
“The effect of speed [running] starts to fade only when launch angles exceed 10-degrees, as exit velocity starts to take over as the biggest determinant of a batted ball’s fate.”
Did you catch that? Some coaches out there will teach their faster hitters to put the ball on the ground. Why? So they can beat out more ground-balls to infielders, they reason. Why not teach faster hitters optimized launch angles, to turn singles into doubles, doubles into triples, and triples into inside-the-park homers?
Another valuable thing about optimizing launch angles, and lack of running speed, I was working with a 14-year-old young man, and he ran like he was pulling a tractor tire. In the beginning, he was behind in Ball Exit Speed for his age (double negative!!), so guess what we worked on? RIGHT-O!! Optimizing his launch angles. It was a quick fix that got him immediate results, until we got his Ball Exit Speeds caught up…and that they eventually did.
One last thing about baseball hitting drills for kids, Aaron Miles, who played 12 years of professional baseball (9 years in the Big Leagues with White Sox, Cardinals, Rockies, and Dodgers), told me these downward swing path hitters got weeded out by AA-ball. By the way, Aaron Miles is 5’7″, 180-lbs, which is impressive that with his size he competed for 9 Major Leagues seasons and did quite well. You don’t play that long in the Big Leagues, with his size, UNLESS you’re doing something right. Success leaves clues right?!
Am I making myself clear on this ‘down swinging’ backspin issue? Negative launch angles equate to negative playing time on the field. Before I karate chop the baseball hitting drills for kids coaching objections above, I wanted to get something else off my hairy chest first…
Hitting Ground-balls have their Place
…in situational hitting, which depending on the game, can make up less than 10-15% of a team’s at-bats. Of course, we don’t want to put a ball in the air on a hit-and-run or with a slap hit. That’s dumb. Even I know that.
Launch angle diagram comparing ground-balls to balls-in-the-air. Baseball hitting drills for kids infographic courtesy of the Colorado Rockies and the guys from BackSpinTee.com.
What I have a baseball hitting drills for kids beef with are coaches teaching hitters to hit the ball on the ground…ALL THE TIME!
As I mentioned before, DID YOU KNOW…line drives are balls in the air? I said it again!! Doesn’t take a physics professor to see that.
And if you forget every word in this Ground-ball Rant, then PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE remember the following words that are coming from my brain to fingers to keyboard…
Pitchers Want Hitters Hitting the Ball on the Ground!
What vertical part of the zone do pitching coaches teach their pitchers to primarily use? “Keep the ball down!”…is what they say. Now, what part of the ball are pitchers HOPING hitters hit by keeping the ball down?
That’s right! The top half of the ball. Because, as the Backspin Tee ‘On Path Bottom Half’ graphic shows, hitting the top half of the ball induces top spin, driving the ball into the ground.
In other words, PITCHERS WANT HITTERS TO HIT THE BALL ON THE GROUND!!!
It’s all about seeking pleasure and avoiding pain. Pitchers know that they don’t get hurt (as much) with a ground-ball than with a ball-in-the-air. Look at the Sabermetrics, launch angles increase up in the zone, while they decrease down in the zone. This is FACT. So WHY the heck are hitting coaches teaching their hitters to primarily hit ground-balls?!
I seriously don’t know the answer…I’m as some would say, confused. Or is this some LARGE conspiracy of pitching instructors undermining our hitters? Let me give you another bit of baseball hitting drills for kids advice…don’t listen to pitching coaches teach hitting. Unless they’re aware of the strange duality between pitching and hitting strategy.
You see, they’ve been conditioned to induce ground-balls, so whether they’re conscious about it or not, to hitters, they’re promoting the VERY THING they use to get hitters out. Most of the pitching instructors in my area, who also teach hitting, instruct their hitters to swing down on the ball. Coincidence?
CLICK HERE for a link to a Beyond the Boxscore article titled, “Scooter Gennett and ground balls”. The sub-title says it all, “Scooter Gennett’s offense has declined every year since he broke into Major League Baseball, are ground balls the reason?”
Okay, moving on…
Before getting into Jean Claude Van Damme round-house kicking those ground-ball teaching batting coach arguments included at the beginning of this post, I want you to answer the following question…
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What’s obvious in the results for each type of ball in play, is the value of the Line Drive (highlighted in yellow). I think even “Pro-Ground-ballers” agree that the line drive is the way to go.
But if given a choice to pick the lesser of two evils, the Pro-Ground-ball coach will unanimously pick the ground-ball.
But look at the difference in productivity between the Ground-ball and Fly-ball…
A 32-point increase in Batting Average with Ground-ball over a Fly-ball, however
A 358-point INCREASE in ISO (or raw power) with Fly-balls over Ground-balls…AND
A 115-point INCREASE in weighted On-Base Average with Fly-Balls over Ground-balls, which according to FanGraphs.com,
“Weighted On-Base Average combines all the different aspects of hitting into one metric, weighting each of them in proportion to their actual run value. While batting average, on-base percentage, and slugging percentage fall short in accuracy and scope, wOBA measures and captures offensive value more accurately and comprehensively.”
Well Fly-balls, it’s unanimous…2 out of 3 will get you in the Hall Of Fame 😛 lol
Also, since we’re on the subject, check out this Launch Angle infographic of Bryce Harper that was posted by @PinkmanBaseball:
Key in on Bryce Harper’s offensive productivity from 10 to 30-degrees of Launch Angle! Did you pick up on the KEY message? Killed two birds with one stone there…
Key Message #1: This shows hitters aren’t productive unless they’re swinging UP to the ball (not down)…
Key Message #2: And if a 9-degree Launch Angle, or less (see ‘Backspin’ image #2 above), is a ground-ball, WATCH how B. Harper’s average AND power numbers skyrocket once he gets to over a 10-degree Launch Angle.
Situational hitting aside, remind me again WHY we’re teaching baseball hitting drills for kids that promote grounders? So far, I hope this has helped the ‘fence-sitters’ see the light. Now, let’s zero in on those not even close to the fence. You know who you are. I may not get you over to the ‘Light Side’ reading this whole post…
BUT,
The information will fester in a Fixed Mindset brain, like an open wound, and with time, I’m confident you’ll make your way to the Lighter Side of effective hitting. Don’t worry, I’ll be a patient grasshopper. I don’t care what level of play you coach.
YOU WILL BE MINE Ferris Bueller!
Onwards…
The ground-balls are gross hitting coach will go on and on about…
How many games they’ve won with grounders
This is a subjective statement, and an exaggeration at BEST. First of all, show me the numbers on how many games were won with a seeing-eye single versus a double, triple, or dinger. Give me 5-years of MLB data. Better yet, how many “go-ahead runs” were by single or extra base hit? I’d love to see the REAL numbers. What is FACT, in the 2017 World Series, the Astros WOULD NOT HAVE WON by hitting a bunch of singles.
Seriously though, of all the baseball and softball games being played on the planet, how many late inning heroic game winners are being hit on the ground? AND, of those game winning ground-balls, how many of those WERE INTENDED to be on the ground by the hitter and/or coach?
Let’s get personal with you coaches who obsessively LOVE GAME WINNING SINGLES ON THE GROUND, here’s what I want you to do…track your game winning hits, and report back. Don’t cheat though, and fudge the numbers to save face. My hypothesis is, ground-balls WILL NOT be the number one game winning or “go-ahead run” vehicle. I’ve seen too many game winning balls-in-the-air (line drives and fly-balls), in my playing career, to accept that ground-balls get the job done better.
The ground-ball obsessed coaches, go on and on about…
How ground-ball fielding percentage is way lower than with fly-balls
This statement proves a statistically flawed argument. Here’s the information that we need to put it to the test:
The New York Mets infield plays a defensive shift against Carlos Gonzalez of the Colorado Rockies at Coors Field on April 16, 2013 in Denver, Colorado. (Baseball hitting drills for kids photo by Doug Pensinger/Getty Images)
Total number of ground-balls hit in latest MLB season, and
Total number of fly-balls hit in latest MLB season.
I’m willing to bet, there were WAY more ground-balls hit than fly-balls. More statistical data points translate to lower overall averages. And the reverse is typically true of less statistical information.
Riddle me this,
…if fielding percentages for outfielders are higher, then WHY don’t we teach our pitchers to pitch to the top of zone, than the bottom? Doesn’t that sound logical?…“Hey, if our outfielders are the better fielders, then get hitters to hit more balls to them.”
Here’s what I thought up ALL BY MYSELF, there are FIVE fielding infielders (including the pitcher), and only THREE outfielders. There’s more space in the outfield and less fielders…WHY don’t we hit it out there? Even my four year old can see the superiority in that baseball hitting drills for kids strategy.
One of my readers Brian Ingram, shared this:
“Just read the article about the flawed ground ball approach and wanted to say I completely agree. also wanted to add on to the idea of 5 infielders vs 3 outfielders, (which I thought of too as soon as I read the title and was happy you touched on it) was that those 5 infielders have less total area to cover on ground balls than the 3 outfielders do on balls in the air.
And the space where ground balls get through is far smaller than the area where balls in the air go for hits. Also, like you showed in the article, ground balls are either hard or soft. Balls in the air though can be shallow line drives, deep line drives, deep fly balls, and bloop hits.
In addition, higher chance of getting on base from things like bad reads, ball getting lost in the sun or lights, wind issues, knuckling line drives, etc.
Also outfielders have a limit of the outfield fence on how far they can go back to catch a ball. Infielders don’t have to deal with those issues, which also count as hits not errors leading to the discrepancy in fielding percentage. All of those things taken into consideration leads to the conclusion that odds of reaching base safely is much high hitting the ball in the air than on the ground. All in all I loved the article and couldn’t agree more.”
Thanks for sharing that Brian (who’s applying to be in the Kinesiology Department at Fresno State in the Fall). Also worth noting is the fact MLB teams are giving up in an infielder to the outfield to concede the ground-ball…WHY??! Because they’re taking the easy risk ground-balls don’t do damage like an extra base hit. Heck, you don’t have to work for NASA to figure this stuff out.
Here’s another thought to consider about this shifted infielder into the outfield…in using a defensive shift, WHY would we put an extra infielder into the outfield, if the outfielders – statistically speaking – were better at fielding? After all, they don’t NEED anymore help, right?!
Because according to you, outfielders HAVE TO BE BETTER fielders than infielders right? That’s what the stats tell us!!!
Yoda (The Force) photo courtesy: BusinessInsider.com
Or how about this, since we shifted the infielder positionally into the outfield, does he/she instantaneously inherit the stellar fielding percentage of playing on the luscious outfield grass? Sounds like “the Force” in Star Wars 😀 lol
Statistically speaking, comparing an infielders fielding percentage to an outfielders is comparing apples to oranges. Are we done here? Good.
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Hey look! One less step! You may be onto something here…but are you? I played the outfield from my sophomore year in High School through all 4-years at Fresno State, so I know how easy AND difficult it is. Again, you’re one of three fielders in the biggest part of a baseball or softball field.
Ask Jose Canseco how easy it is to catch this “fly ball”:
Also, ask an infielder going back to catch a fly-ball in the shallow outfield, with a converging outfielder coming towards them, how easy catching that fly-ball is.
At Fresno State, legendary Coach Bob Bennett constantly had us working on this type of drill called “Pop-fly Priorities”. We were drilled to the point of throwing up, AND even still, occasionally the ball dropped into ‘no-man’s land’ in games.
I’d love to take the “ground-ball obsessed coach” out and hit them fly-balls, and have them track it down. They’re much harder to track than you think. And things move A LOT faster in the outfield, most of the time you’re on a dead sprint to get from point A to B.
And, when an outfielder makes a mistake, runners advance at least one extra base. If infielders bobble a ball, typically, they still have time to recover and get the out. In other words, an outfielder’s mistake is magnified.
Besides, my friends who’ve played in the Big Leagues say the outfield is where misfit infielders go, which brings the quality of overall outfield play down at the highest level. Ask any converted outfielder how challenging it is to track a ball effectively off a bat 😉
Which leads me to,
The “Ground-ball obsessed coaches”, go on and on about…
How great outfielders track fly balls
But you’re thinking, well, MLB and college outfielders (both baseball and softball) are great athletes, and they track and catch everything in the air. This simply isn’t true. They don’t. Not even ‘cans-of-corn’ are off limits to being dropped. Don’t believe me? Go to YouTube and type in “mlb dropped fly ball”, and count how many, what you think are ‘cans-of-corns’, are dropped…
And for you college coaches who still don’t agree…this season, track how many balls are dropped by your outfielders this year…AND the run scoring result of that action. Then track how many ground-balls are dropped by your infielders this year…AND the run scoring result of that action.
My point is, NOT ALL fly-balls to outfielders are caught, and when they aren’t, extra bases are taken. Heck, extra bases are taken if an outfielder takes a bit too long fielding a line drive/ground-ball in front of them! I know because I took plenty of extra bases on them in my time. If an infielder drops a ball, most of the time, it’s no big deal, at least if the runner isn’t fleet of foot. All is forgiven, minimal damage done.
Not outfielders, no-no. The “ground-ball obsessed coaches”, go on and on about…
How more can go wrong with the defense keeping the ball on the ground
My good friend Taylor Gardner, and owner of the BackSpin batting tee, shared a CLASSIC baseball hitting drills for kids response to the aforementioned statement on Facebook (and one I echoed earlier in this post). He said:
“Groundball supporters…why do pitchers try and keep the ball down in the zone? ……………..They WANT you to hit a groundball. If you don’t believe that, then start telling your pitchers to live about chest high in the zone and see how many pop ups you can get in the game. Ha ha…you should bring your center fielder into the infield and play with an extra infielder because you seem to be so scared of the groundballs (which are better right)?”
This is a common argument amongst Little League coaches…
“Hit the ball on the ground because the other team can’t play catch!”
But what happens when they meet a team that can play catch? What then? Let me give a clue…they get beat. And IF they get a runner on base, then they’re another ground-ball away from a double play!!! If the other team can play catch, no more getting runners on base because of errors…no more auto-runs to second after a walk. NOTHING. Your team is SHUT DOWN. Did you miss that? Let me repeat, your misled offensive strategy is SHUT DOWN.
This is WHY, when and if my 4yo son plays baseball, his team will be the most disciplined group of young men at playing catch. If I come across YOUR ground-ball hitting team, we will CRUSH YOU. You better have quality pitching, because YOU WILL LOSE! And you won’t know how it happened…why it happened…or what happened.
Worst of all, your troops won’t be able to recover because you’ve taught them baseball hitting drills for kids that primarily focus on hitting the ball on the ground. Have you ever been in a hopeless situation like that? It’s only a matter of time, if you keep doing what you’re doing. The sad part is if your ground-ball hitting team is lucky enough to make it to the championship game, guess what, most likely the other team will be REAL GOOD at playing catch. What do you think will happen then?
What’s more,
Guess what happens to ground-ball fielding difficulty after graduating to the BIG field…?
Infielders are deeper – increasing their fielding range,
Athletes get more athletic – enabling them a farther “reach”,
Players get better at playing catch (naturally course of skill acquisition), and
With 90-foot bases (instead of 60 to 70-foot), fielders have more time to field, gather, and throw. In other words, more can go wrong with fielding a ground-ball, and the defense still recording a putout because they have more time.
But you “ground-ball obsessed” Little League coaches don’t care anyway, it’ll be the next coaches problem when they get into Middle School, right? Fastpitch softball is a little different…the young ladies will grow into the “smaller” field. However, points ONE through THREE above still hold true.
One last baseball hitting drills for kids point I want to make on this, comes from a Beyond The Box Score article titled, “Do Hard Hit Ground Balls Produce More Errors?”The data from the above post analysis suggests errors don’t start consistently climbing until Ball Exit Speeds (the speed of the ball coming off the bat) reaches around 95-mph. This data comes from Major League players, by the way.
It goes to show that you have to hit the ball pretty dang hard to force the defense to make an error. To put a 95-mph BES into perspective, this ball has the ability to travel 380-feet with an optimal ball launch angle (1-mph of BES = 4-feet of distance). Are your High School hitters hitting even 85 to 90-mph Ball Exit Speeds in games? If not, then maybe you should re-work your ground ball hitting strategy.
The other thing I’ve heard from ground-ball obsessed coaches is, “Well, you can’t get a bad hop in the air.” Really!? So you’re banking winning versus losing on something out of your control? In other words, you’re “hoping” and “praying” for the ground-balls your hitters hit to take a bad hop?! That’s laughable. Errors are a gift, not something you should expect. And at the higher levels, there are less “gifts”. The best coaches (and players) don’t focus baseball hitting drills for kids on the uncontrollable. Adapt or die.
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How some of the most winningest coaches in college baseball history, Gordie Gillespie and Augie Garrido stress keeping the ball on the ground to their hitters
MANHATTAN, KS – APRIL 26: Head coach Augie Garrido of the Texas Longhorns looks out onto the field from the dugout during a game against the Kansas State Wildcats at Tointon Stadium April 26, 2008 in Manhattan, Kansas. Kansas State defeated Texas 4-1. (Photo by Peter Aiken/Getty Images)
This is where I really get fired up because this kind of baseball hitting drills for kids statement is:
A “That Guy” type of comment,
Dumb.
It’s a great example of making a blanket statement WITHOUT knowing who you’re talking to. What’s interesting to note is after this person said this, and I responded with the following, they never responded back.
Now, I can’t speak for Coach Gordie Gillespie, but here’s my connection to Coach Augie Garrido…Coach Garrido played for Fresno State (my alma matar) back when Coach Pete Beiden was the head coach. I believe, Coach Garrido also played with Coach Bob Bennett (but I could be wrong there), who was my coach the first three years I played at Fresno State.
Whether he played with Bennett or not, Coach Garrido learned from Beiden, just as Bennett did. So having never played for Garrido, I have a pretty good idea that Coach Beiden rubbed off on Garrido as he did on Bennett.
And Coach Bennett, NEVER told us, in the three years I played for him (and even me – a smaller hitter), to ever hit the ball on the ground…UNLESS I was popping up to much, which is adjustment advice. OR for situational hitting.
So my baseball hitting drills for kids hypothesis with Coach Garrido would echo the same Bennett-Beiden philosophy. I don’t think Coach Garrido compiled a collegiate record of 1950-919-9, and has taken his teams to 15 College World Series primarily by instructing his hitters to hit the ball on the ground.
Somebody close to Coach Garrido, ask him, and get back to me…PLEASE! I’m dying to be proven wrong. Besides, head coaches in the college and professional ranks are generalist. Let me clarify this, they typically don’t meddle in hitting or pitching aspects with a fine tooth comb. They have assistant coaches whose job it is to do that. In 3-years, I can count on one hand how many times Coach Bennett gave me hitting advice.
Head coaches should be like the CEO of a corporation…their concern is with big picture strategies, not on how TPS Reports are suppose to be written. Well, I commend you for making it this far! Either you’re:
NOT one of the “ground-ball obsessed coaches” anymore, OR
You’re ONE for a beating! lol
I assure you this rant is almost over, just a few more Karate chops I need to issue…the “ground-ball obsessed coaches”, go on and on about…
How you HAVE TO TEACH a 5’6″, 135-pound High School hitter to hit the ball on the ground because his batted ball distance maxes out at 250-feet!
Text from dad after 11yo son Orin hit a 300-foot bomb, weighing in at 98-pounds.
I’d LOVE to see the look on the face of the High School coach that said this, after I told him on Facebook that I have multiple 11yo hitters that hit the ball consistently over 300-feet, and get this, they did it while weighing less than 100-pounds…AND not just once, but multiple times!!
I’m sure the look was precious. Obviously, this coach isn’t teaching effective baseball hitting drills for kids, and doesn’t know any better. You don’t know what you don’t know, right? There are certain things, mechanically speaking, that directly influence consistent power, hitting more line drives, and being on-time more often. Success leaves clues, and we can train it all.
I don’t care the size of the hitter, I’m going to teach them all how to drive the ball. It’s another tool for their tool belt. Besides, Physicist Dr. Alan Nathan told me in a phone conversation that bat speed is a better indicator of batted ball distance than body mass.
Yes, a smaller hitter’s role on the team may require them to be better at putting down a sacrifice bunt, hit-and-run, and/or slap hit (especially if they’re faster, or left handed), but ALL hitters MUST know how to drive the ball. Driving the ball SHOULD BE the default, NOT hitting the ball on the ground.
Look, there are thousands of ways to teach baseball hitting drills for kids. Just like you can eat soup with a spoon, fork, or knife, but only one tool is more effective. Teaching hitters is the same. Stick to applying human movement principles validated by REAL science, NOT because-I-said-so “bro-science”, to hitting a ball, and your hitters will get predictably positive results.
And last, but certainly not least…the “ground-ball obsessed coaches”, go on and on about…
How even pro coaches and “great hitting instructors” never promote hitting fly-balls
This statement is also subjective. Please define “great hitting instructors”. Does what Alex Rodriguez and Albert Pujols say about hitting make them a great hitting instructor? Did Ted Williams and Tony Gwynn do a COMPLETE job of analyzing in retrospect, how they did what they did? Ted Williams came close, but still was quite far from filling in between the lines.
How about Dusty Baker in his hitting book. Mike Schmidt? Charlie Lau? Look, I’m not putting down any of these legendary people, but we have to have a higher standard than just somebody’s hitting “philosophy” or “bro-science”. We have to teach human movement principles that are validated by REAL science, to hitting a ball.
Simple as that.
So, my first baseball hitting drills for kids question to you is, if you believe the above statement, then whose kool-aid are you drinking? Who do you consider a “great hitting instructor”? And last time I checked on FanGraphs, Ted Williams, Pujols, A-Rod, Mike Trout, Nolan Arenado, Bautista, and Donaldson ARE NOT trying to hit the ball on the ground. Don’t believe me? Look at their ground-ball, line drive, fly ball, and home-run to fly-ball ratios. I guarantee you’ll see ALL of them being below average in their ground-balls rates, while being above average in the others.
Please check…I’ll wait. Oftentimes, what Major League hitters say they’re doing is not what we see them do on slow motion analysis. What’s real and what’s feel are two totally different things. I GUARANTEE, most of the effective hitting gurus online, are telling their hitters to drive the ball IN THE AIR with AUTHORITY. Again, that includes line drives.
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So you can keep telling yourself these baseball hitting drills for kids stories (i.e. the “ground-ball obsessed coaching” statements above), and get mediocre results with your hitters…
Or you can follow what Hockey great Wayne Gretzky says,
“A good hockey player plays where the puck is. A great hockey player plays where the puck is going to be.”
Teaching baseball hitting drills for kids to primarily hit ground-balls is ‘where the puck is.” Teaching them to hit the ball in the air is ‘where the puck is going to be’.
Think it’s impossible for young hitters to learn? You’re wrong. You may not know how to teach baseball hitting drills for kids to optimize launch angles. And that’s okay! Get educated. Don’t be an armchair quarterback. Opinions are NOT facts.
Don’t be afraid of setting young hitters up for failure in teaching them to hit more line drives. Shoot for the stars to land in the clouds. Have a higher standard for your hitters. In Pre-Kindergarten, my 5-year-old son’s teachers are getting him ready for Kindergarten. THE NEXT LEVEL! Coaches MUST do the same! Stretching requires some pain, but it’s how we grow.
And if you’re not growing, you’re dying. Swallow your pride, and come over to the Light Side!
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One of my favorite hitting aids for feeling this is the Rope Bat. In the above video, I demonstrate one of my favorite ways to teach hitters how to consistently smash the ball to the opposite field, which I call the “Deep, Deep” opposite field hitting drill.
But before I get there, let’s talk about setup. You’ll notice I’m in a small confined space for those parents that have the same challenge with being able to work on hitting stuff.
Like I said, there are two things you want to be concerned with: when the barrel enters the zone and where the contact point is. For this drill we’ll only setup the two (of three) catcher’s glove markers for Deep, Deep…
Set baseball or softball right under where the real catcher’s glove would be, and
Set another baseball or softball right under where a catcher’s glove would be IF his glove were inline with the hitter’s back foot.
Click this link to see contact points batting tee setup. If throwing LIVE, then make sure that whoever is throwing is targeting middle away or middle down in the zone.
And what we can do with the rope bat is we can get the hitter to feel deep deep deep barrel, deep contact by knocking off the back catcher’s glove, the real catcher’s glove and then passing right over the deep contact point. So we want to let it get deep and hit it deep.
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