Dustin Pedroia showing numbers but stepping in the bucket. Photo courtesy: ESPN.Go.com
Discover how to drills to stop a batter from stepping out of the box and into the bucket for baseball and softball players. What is stepping out of the box mean and should a hitter step when batting?
I took Mixed Martial Arts classes before it was considered MMA back in Junior High and High School. We practiced A LOT of grappling and lock & holds. One thing my Sensei (teacher) used to say when grabbing someone on the wrist, the common opponent response is to pull back, or fight against the resistance…
This week’s Dustin Pedroia video post will look at this fighting against the resistance concept. I’ll show you how fix stepping in the bucket using a little known human movement science technique called Reactive Neuromuscular Training (or RNT).
In this video blog post, we’re going to discuss:
Problems with stepping in the bucket,
Stepping out as a legit hitting strategy? And,
The #1 fix to stepping out.
Dr. Mark Cheng, kettlebell and corrective movement training expert, calls RNT “reverse psychology for the body”. He adds that “RNT operates on the premise that the body will do what it needs to maintain balance – homeostasis”. Essentially, we’re going to be training what Dr. Mark Cheng refers to as “feeding the mistake”…
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Stepping in the bucket is most prevalent at the Little League and youth softball levels. It’s when a hitter strides or steps away from home plate, which creates a big hole in their swing on the outside part of the plate. Contrarily, it can also be used as a legitimate strategy (crowding the plate) at the higher levels – we’ll get into that in a bit. At the youth levels, it can be caused by a few things:
Look at Dustin Pedroia’s back foot compared to his front. Use batter’s box inside chalk line as a point of reference. Photo courtesy: BattersBox.ca
Let me be clear, I’m not condoning the use of stepping in the bucket. In all youth hitters, it needs to be fixed. BUT, I’m going to show you an example of a player who uses it to his advantage as he crowds the plate…
2nd-baseman Dustin Pedroia from the Boston Red Sox. According to Baseball-Reference.com he’s 5 foot, 8 inches tall. 165-pounds, soaking wet. In a 162-game average season, Dustin Pedroia hits 15 homers and 45 doubles per season. His Batting Average on Balls In Play (BABIP – .307) and On-Base Plus Slugging% (OPS – .810) are above average.
Imagine what Dustin Pedroia could do if he was 6-foot, 200-pounds!
His home ballpark is Fenway, where it’s 315 feet down the left-field line. Very advantageous to a right handed hitter. How does stepping in the bucket work for him?
He’s almost crowding the plate (look at back foot in photo to right),
Because of #1, stepping out helps clear his pelvis before landing,
Shows his numbers a long time, and
As a result of #3, he can hit the ball to the opposite field like Derek Jeter.
So, let’s find out…
The #1 Fix for Stepping Out
As mentioned earlier, we’re going to infuse the Stepping in the Bucket Drill with RNT. Or what Dr. Mark Chang refers to as “feeding the mistake“. Here’s how you set up the Dustin Pedroia Stepping in the Bucket Drill:
You’ll need a workout band of light resistance from your local Sporting Goods store,
You’ll make a slip knot for the ankle,
The other end a partner can hold or can be secured using a wall anchor in the garage like in the video,
You want the band pulling the foot in the direction of stepping out (“feeding the mistake”),
At landing we want alignment with the heels.
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“…Once upon a time, there was a little girl named Goldilocks. She went for a walk in the forest. Pretty soon, she came upon a house. She knocked and, when no one answered, she walked right in. At the table in the kitchen, there were three bowls of porridge. Goldilocks was hungry. She tasted the porridge from the first bowl.
“This porridge is too hot!’ she exclaimed. So, she tasted the porridge from the second bowl. ‘This porridge is too cold,’ she said. So, she tasted the last bowl of porridge. ‘Ahhh, this porridge is just right,’ she said happily and she ate it all up…”
More in a bit on how Goldilocks and the Three Bears relates to baseball stride drills, but first…
In the following post, we’re addressing the following concerns regarding baseball stride drills(also works for softball):
Stride direction and amount,
Stride type (experimenting with the ‘Float’),
Head movement from stride, and
Controlling center mass in stride.
Before getting into the how to baseball stride drills guide, I want to preface that the PURPOSE of a stride shouldn’t be power. CLICK HERE for a Zepp swing experiment that may confirm this. If it’s power you seek, then I’d advise looking at the “Build More Power” category. What purpose does a stride serve? A stride is for timing and initiating directional force. CLICK HERE for this post on that.
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Watch this video from Chris Welch at ZenoLink. Using data and science, he’s found reasonable markers in guiding baseball stride drills…
Here are highlights from baseball stride drills video above:
Stride length should be about 3.75-times hip width (hip-center-to-hip-center)*,
At landing, stride direction is to be closed about 10-degrees(straight forward toward pitcher is zero-degrees), and
Stride landing foot position to be about 65-degrees open (pointing perpendicular to home plate is zero-degrees, and straight at pitcher is 90-degrees).
(*Denotes 3.75-times hip-center-to-hip-center is length of stride measured from back foot to stride landing. NOT the measurement of the stride itself.)
Chris says in the video that if a hitter is under or over striding, then they’re hampering body’s ability to create torque. Stride landing MUST align ball of the foot with ball of the foot.
CLICK HERE for a post I did on how to fix “stepping in the bucket” using Reactive Neuromuscular Training (RNT). With the image to the right, it’s another one of my baseball stride drills using colored bands to fix stepping in bucket or crashing the plate. If the hitter is crashing too much with their stride, I get them to feel stepping out, and the reverse is true if they’re stepping out. I use variance to get them in the middle (blue band).
…Goldilocks Golden Rule.
Stride Type (‘Experimenting with the Float’)
For most intensive purposes, there are 3 stride types:
Leg kick – medium (Mike Trout) or large (Josh Donaldson),
Slide step – most Big League hitters use this. Aaron Judge, Robinson Cano, Joey Votto, and Andrew McCutchen just to name a few.
Toe-tap – I recommend this for my younger hitters. Troy Tulowitzki, Giancarlo Stanton, and Victor Martinez employ this.
Of course, there are variations to these, but these are the three broad categories of stride types. I call the stride the ‘float’ and ‘fall’. The ‘float’ is a momentary shifting of weight back towards the catcher before falling forward. Matt Nokes calls this the ‘Ride’ and ‘Stride’. Some hitting coaches don’t like this idea, but the reality is this is human movement. The Chinese have been practicing exactly this move in Tai Chi for thousands of years…in stepping to my right, I have to make a brief weight shift to the left first. CLICK HERE for a post analyzing this dynamic move.
I included a lot of video examples (CLICK HERE) of MLB hitters using these different stride types to help guide your baseball stride drills. In that post I concluded with this:
“When it comes to [baseball stride drills], Forward Momentum is the objective. How we get our hitters there doesn’t really matter. Just give them examples of how to accomplish more FoMo, and allow them to tinker and test until they find something they’re comfortable with doing.”
…Goldilocks Golden Rule.
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There’s been few online Hitting Guru #57’s saying we want minimal to zero head movement when hitting. They claim, the more the head moves, the less your eyes see the ball. And they point to Barry Bonds as their champion. On paper, this conclusion looks great, and with Bonds as their poster child seems argument seems pretty reasonable.
However, what science says and what the top 50 hitters in the Major Leagues are doing reveals something completely different. The opposite actually. Listen, I agree minimal to zero head movement when hitter’s stride foot lands. And if baseball stride drills are done correctly, this should be a natural result. But I don’t agree with minimal to zero head movement GETTING TO stride landing – BEFORE the turn starts.
The biggest bomb NUKING minimal to zero head movement argument, is this 2013 article by Dan Farnsworth at FanGraphs.com titled, “Breaking Down the Swing: Best Hitters of 2012“. Farnsworth compiled a list of the top 50 hitters from the 2012 season according to Fangraph’s batting component of WAR(this is a big deal metric).
He looked at side views of each of these hitters from highlights of the 2012 season, in which each player hit a home-run. Farnsworth says the main complaint coaches have with early head movement, is that moving the head forward “speeds up the ball”. This may be true, however during the stride the hitter hasn’t made a definitive decision to swing yet. In the Head Movement piece of the article, Farnsworth concludes:
“Next to no relationship here. I think this one can be considered dead, simply based on the fact that all of them moved forward to some degree.”
Did you catch that?! Farnsworth revealed in his research of top-50 hitters in 2012, that ALL moved their head forward to some degree. You see, head movement is inevitable in ALL dynamic movement. Early is okay, late is not. Don’t sit there and point to hitting outliers like Barry Bonds, and tell me the top-50 hitters of 2012 all had it wrong. It was true then as it is now.
Besides, did you know fresh out of the box, humans come with “video stabilizer” eye software? Ask an ophthalmologist. In addition, your knees, ankles (Achilles tendon), and hip joints act as shock absorbers too. If we start our hitters in an athletic position, and most importantly, they land in one, then the hitter will be fully optimized for minimizing the ball “speeding up”.
Not too much, not too little, just right…Goldilocks Golden Rule.
And last but not least…
Controlling Center of Mass in the Stride
Center of Mass (COM) in the human body is located at the belly button. This was established in the womb. The umbilical cord is the center of an unborn child’s universe. I say this to demonstrate the importance of COM in controlling human movement.
Now, we don’t want baseball stride drills to promote too large or too small of a stride. Remember? Goldilocks Golden Rule. Chris Welch from Zenolink said the stride should be about 3.75 times hip-center-to-hip-center, and aligned are back ball of the foot to front ball of the foot at stride landing. How do we teach this though? In this post I received the following question from one of my readers…
“One specific issue I see in a lot of my players is timing and getting over the front knee too far at contact. What are some good tee drills for staying back and any idea how I can get them to feel it when done correctly.”
WHY we separate PROCESS from PERFORMANCE with hitters learning something new,
How it takes time to change ineffective movement momentum into effective, and…
Training 4-5 days per week, for AT LEAST 5-mins each day.
And remember the …Goldilocks Golden Rule.
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Learn a solid youth baseball coaching 101 philosophy, 18 mistakes to avoid, and how to coach your son or daughter. These principles work for 8u, 10u, 12u, middle and high school players. They also work for softball players…
Coaching Kids Reader Question: “How do you get your own kid to listen/trust your advice as a coach and not as a parent?”
My son Noah and daughter Gracen, who were 4yo and 1yo respectively, at the time of this photo.
Be comforted to know that most parents coaching kids I’ve dealt with have a “coaching kids” challenge – especially when it’s their own! And I’m preparing to have the same challenge with mine…already have coaches lined up who will be working with them when the time comes 😉
Let me start off by saying, this post IS NOT telling you how to raise your kids. That’s not my place. I’m offering advice on what works for me. In addition, I’m not a child psychologist, or any other type of professional dealing in kid behavior. Just like with everything on this blog, try it out for yourself, if it doesn’t work, then toss it. Always be testing.
FYI, I may use the words “coach” or “coaching”, where you could also use the word “discipline” or “parent” or “parenting”.
That being said…
Over the years, I’ve received great advice from the parents of my hitters, before I had kids, and now. When it comes to coaching kids, below is me throwing my brain up on your tech device screen!
In this post I’ll share:
The 30,000-foot view tips to keep “seasons of life” into perspective,
18 ways to get your own kid to listen/trust your advice as a coach and not as a parent, and
Some high priority books and resources to read on the subject…
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30,000-foot View Tips to Keep “Seasons of Life” into Perspective
When it comes to coaching kids, one thing to keep in mind from a 30,000-foot view…
I did a 6-week Men’s Fraternity class at my church a few years back. The purpose of the class was to train and equip “Godly fathers”. One thing that stuck out for me at the time, was that your perspective as a dad (or mom) MUST change with the season of life. What does that look like?
Up to 12-years-old, parents are seen as coaches. Most kids in this age range are less resistant to a parent barking orders.
During the psychological warfare teenage years, 13-years-old to college, parents are to be seen as a “listening” counselor. God gave us two ears and one mouth for a reason – to listen twice as much as we talk 😛 And,
The years following college, young adults getting into their professional lives, parents move into the “colleague” season of life. New families, babies, etc.
Another great piece of coaching kids advice for those parents who wear both the “coach” and “parent” hat, was to have the ability to be coach on the field, but mom/dad in the car and away from the field.
One more fantastic piece of advice I received from a coach at Fresno State my Freshman year, at a time when I was so frustrated the coaches were tweaking every mechanical movement I did on the field (at least that’s how it felt to me anyway):
“You don’t need to worry when we’re coaching you. You need to worry when we aren’t. It means we’ve given up on you.“
Powerful. That message changed my perspective on coaching the rest of my career at Fresno State! Look, coaching kids is love. Make your kids aware of that.
18 Ways to get your own kid to Listen/Trust your Advice as a Coach and not as a Parent
I want to preface this section with the fact, I haven’t mastered any of the following points. That’s right, still working on them. And I welcome the fear that this process will be a journey, and not a destination. I’m far from being perfect. I heard this expert’s advice on one of my wife’s favorite dating shows Love at First Sight:
“If you want to find a perfect person, then you have to be perfect yourself.” One of the frustrated men who got married on the show responded with, “But I’m not perfect”, and the expert added, “Then it looks like you get the message.” (liiight bulb)
We don’t have to be perfect as parents, we just have to be willing to learn, make mistakes, adapt, and try again. The following list of 18 tips for coaching kids will help (especially when the kids are your own!)…
Don’t overdo discipline. Making mountains out of mole hills – pick your battles. Being consistent with rules and consequences is HUGE. Remember Goldilocks Golden Rule…too many rules, and they’ll rebel later. Little to no rules, and they’ll walk all over you and everyone else. Find the sweet spot. Without consistent rules and consequences, they won’t build the necessary mental muscles to develop self-discipline when they’re adults.
Avoid overuse and burnout – playing multiple sports or being involved in multiple movement activities is key. Variety is fun to kids, and the spice of their life. The same thing over and over can become boring, which leads to burnout. Bodies engaged in a variety of movements is a healthy body. Say no to Sport Specialization early on.
Make sure they’re “listening” (the VAK Model) – did you know that in less than 5-minutes, you can get a ballpark of a player’s learning style by asking them a few questions, and watching for where their eyes go? Up to left or right – visual learner. Side to side – auditory learner. Down to left or right, and straight ahead – kinesthetic learner (feel). Neuro-Linguistic Programming (NLP) calls this the VAK Model. This comes in handy when coaching a child, they don’t look at you, and you tell them, “Look at me when I’m talking to you”…they may primarily be an auditory learner, NOT visual.
Be careful tone of voice – my 5yo son is very sensitive to tone of voice (auditory learner), so I have to be careful when coaching him. I must have good reason to raise my voice during times of correction with him. Also, tempo of words are important when raising the voice or not. You want to strive for keeping the voice under control even when raising it.
Don’t question by entrapment – asking leading questions in order to trap them isn’t very effective. It’s condescending actually. I’m a work in progress on this one. Putting kids through an interrogation is a terrible idea, especially if you don’t want resentment later. The key is coming off with genuine curiosity as to why they made the mistake they did. Remember, they’re not perfect, neither are you. Easy on paper, hard to apply.
Caution them once, then let them make the mistake(providing mistake doesn’t do extreme physical or mental harm) – ever tell your kid to not do something over and over and over and over? Lessons are more effective when we get ‘hands on’ experience learning them ourselves.
Praise them whenever they do something you want them to do – “You catch more flies with honey than you do with vinegar”. Behavioral conditioning is much more effective when rewarding for positive things, rather than punishing for the negative (i.e. taking things away). See Karen Pryor’s book Don’t Shoot The Dog in the resources below. I take my 5yo to 7-Eleven to get his favorite candy RIGHT after school. We also award stickers for doing certain things like listening the first time, cleaning up messes at home, and being patient with his little sister when she’s hitting him! 10 stickers earn him a toy in the $10-20 range.
Ask their advice, put yourself in a learning mode – genuine curiosity. Be honest, you LOVE when others ask for your advice, and seem genuinely interested in what you have to say. Our kids love giving THEIR advice. Be interested in their thought process. I find it fascinating how clever they are at their age. Sometimes I underestimate them, and they surprise me.
Patience – using guided meditation apps like Headspace or Calm can be a real help with this. The book resources below will help too. Extreme patience in infectious. Kids will model their parents. If you’re an angry person, then chances are high your kids will be too.
Understand what their big WHY is – what inspires them? What motivates them? Are they looking for attention (need significance), love (craving connection), routine (are they overwhelmed), or variety (are they bored)? Knowing what’s driving their bad or good behavior can be a big help in prevention or promotion in the future.
Show them the book, video, etc. you’re getting your info from – show them the hitting information you’re teaching them isn’t just “your” opinion. Show them the science, experimentation, case studies, etc. Give them proof. Kids are pretty intuitive. They seem to know when something has legs or when it doesn’t. Give them proof. Check out this post on How to Get Hitters to Buy Into the System.
Give them options to “experiment” with – instead of saying, “Do it this way, not that way”. Give them options. You like options, don’t you? Remember, these human movement principles are like bumpers in the gutter lanes of a bowling alley. I don’t care what path the ball rolls down the lane, just as long as it stays between the bumpers. A hitter’s stride type (aka “Float”) doesn’t matter, just as long as there is one. Let them test, and choose which they feel more comfortable with. Check out this post on Baseball Stride Drills: A How To Guide
Show them high level movement examples – humans learn best by modeling. Before there were “hitting coaches” – yes, there was such a time – hitters figured it out by watching other high level hitters. And yes, it’s okay when coaching kids, to teach them high level movements. Movement is movement. Just like you wouldn’t teach an 8yo that 2 + 2 = 5 because they’re too young to learn the truth…you wouldn’t do the same with movement.
Fun – coaching kids MUST be fun. I love positively teasing the kids. I like making things up to see if they’re listening, “Where’s the keys to the batter’s box?”, “Do you know where the box of curve balls is?”“After running past third base, you run to FOURTH base…” etc. Keep it light, and the drills fun. Check out this post on: “TBall Drills: How To Coach Tee Ball Without Going Insane“ that may be of interest to those frustrated with coaching younger athletes.
Keep expectations reasonable – “reasonable” doesn’t mean below their current ability level. The expectations will depend on the age group. Operating at or slightly above skill level will help players grow. Learn to manage player frustration, know when to regress or progress a drill.
Break things into small bites – make small circles at first. The accumulation of many small circles build into a BIG circle snowball. Focus on one movement principle at a time for a week or month, depending on the age and ability level. Patience is your friend regardless of what decision the coach whose focus is on winning may be.
Reward effort not talent – reward effort. Reward process not performance. “Good job!”, “You’re so smart”, and “You’re so talented” are not helpful pieces of feedback. Coaching kids in character is best. Remember, kids MUST learn life lessons through sports, not the other way around.
Pat & Pop Method or the compliment sandwich – give the hitter 1-2 things you really like about their swing (the “Pat” on the back), before giving them the constructive criticism (the “Pop” in the mouth). Or compliment-criticize-compliment sandwich. You don’t like to be constantly criticized, and neither do they. Teenagers often call this nagging. Find the good before finding what needs to be corrected.
Coaching Kids Books & Resources
Here are some books, and a few others, helping solve the question we started off with in this post:
…In this Matt Holliday video we’re mourning the loss of plate discipline in today’s youth game. World renowned motivational speaker Tony Robbins once said,
“If you want to be successful, find someone who has achieved the results you want and copy what they do and you’ll achieve the same results.”
In his 11-year career, 6-time All-Star Matt Holliday has amassed an On-Base Percentage of .387 (according to Baseball-Reference.com). This is impressive, considering the league average is .340.
Plate discipline is critical, and in this video, we’ll discover How-To:
Fix 5 common mistakes at practice,
Develop a solid plate discipline strategy, and
Pitch recognition is the Holy grail to plate discipline.
How-To Fix 5 Common Mistakes at Practice
We have to make batting practice as “game-like” as we can. The FIVE worst mistakes are:
Rapid-fire batting practice – take your time tossing the next pitch coaches. You don’t have to wait 15-secs to throw the next ball but at least 5-7 seconds would be better than a pitch every 2-3 seconds is typically what I see.
Adults standing up and throwing to young kids from 25-35 feet – this makes for an unrealistic plane of the pitch. I typically throw seated on a bucket from about 20-30 feet. This gives a move realistic version of the pitch plane.
Marathon hitting rounds – hitting rounds of 10, 20, and 50 before taking a break. In games, hitters are lucky to get three swings in one at-bat. Instead of training like a marathoner, we must train like a sprinter or power lifter. Less reps with higher intensity.
NO home plate for pitchers to throw over – this seems like an obvious one. No frame of reference (the plate) leads to having ZERO clue of where the pitch is in relation to the strike-zone. Plus hitters adapt anyway, so we see hitters shuffling their feet when pitch is thrown inside or away. And…
NO plate discipline strategy – the commonly taught strategy out there is to sit right smack in the middle of timing. Look away, adjust in. Look in, adjust away. Look middle-middle and adjust in or away. Look to hit it straight up the middle. Don’t let a juicy pitch go to waste. The more a hitter levels up, the less likely these strategies work. If this is news to you, then you MUST get educated in Effective Velocity from my good friend Perry Husband.
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Guys like Matt Holliday ABSOLUTELY have a strategy at the plate. Coach Mike Batesole at Fresno State showed me this in 2003. His 2008 Bulldogs won the College World Series. For younger hitters, use this strategy in practice ONLY. It doesn’t work as well in games until about Middle or High School, when pitchers get better with their accuracy and their own hitter game plans. Check it out:
Hitters hunt either middle in or middle down. Middle up or middle down. Barrel path plays a bid role in this, check out this article for more on that.
Whatever location hitters is hunting, we can add a layer of difficulty by having them hunt either a fastball or curve-ball. Randomly. Not called out so hitter knows beforehand what’s coming. So they hunt a specific pitch in a specific location, and ignore (or take) anything else.
A great way for beginners, if we were doing a middle in versus middle away fastball ONLY round, is for coach to throw balls inner half and outer have randomly, while hitter calls out “inside” or “outside” without swinging – only taking. We can do the same for middle up versus middle down AND fastball versus curve-ball. Do a ton of reps until they get good at it. This is SUPER good for 10u hitters on down. For both baseball and softball – curve-balls aside.
This is more for zero or one strike scenarios. We call them “get-it, get-it!” rounds…if you get your pitch, then you GET IT!
Pitch Recognition is the Holy Grail to Plate Discipline
I was never taught pitch recognition. I was taught to pick up spin. And if you’re ONLY doing that, then you’re too late. Here are some of our posts on pitch recognition:
Any questions about this Part-3 Matt Holliday: The Death Of Plate Discipline article? Please post below. In case you missed Part-1 and 2 to the Vision, Tracking, and Timing video series, then CLICK HERE for Part-1, and CLICK HERE for Part-2.
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Baseball Swing Mechanics Experiment: Squash The Bug Ineffective?
This post discusses youth hitting fundamentals of why squishing the bug is bad for baseball and softball players in 2022? Learn basic how to hit the ball in a certain direction beginner swing tips experiment. This information is great for 10-year old’s and younger.
Question: Do “Squish the Bug” Baseball Swing Mechanics Depress Bat Speed?
Here are the two test swings from my intern for the summer, redshirt college Frosh, Tyler Doerner…
Using the Zepp (Labs) Baseball app, I wanted to use the Scientific Method to analyze if the baseball swing mechanics “squishing/squashing the bug”, during the turn, increases or decreases bat speed. The term “squishing the bug” means rotating the back foot, on the ground, during the turn. Like you’re squishing a bug.
This can be a very sore subject, and hotly debated with a passion, in the Church of Baseball. Surprisingly, it’s still widely taught throughout the lower levels. Although a few images off the internet of effective swingers like Cano, Bautista, McCutchen, etc. will reveal “squishing the bug” isn’t what the best are doing.
So we wanted to test it…
My intern for the summer, redshirt college freshman Tyler Doerner did this experiment. This post is for you Joe (you know who you are ;-)…
Background Research
One of the main objectives of whether to skip the foot, or keep it on the ground, has to do with transferring linear momentum, better known as un-weighting or forward momentum. Check out these four HPL posts for a baseball swing mechanics background on this:
Now, for you academics, CLICK HERE to watch a short 2-minute PBS video on Circus Physics and the Conservation of Linear Momentum.
So, after reading/watching the above videos and posts, we should be at a common understanding of Forward Momentum.
The next objective of “squishing the bug” versus “skipping the back foot” during the turn, boils down to allowing the body to transfer energy effectively. This has to do with springy fascia in the body…
In Thomas Myers’s book Anatomy Trains, he talks about a cotton candy like springy material that the bones and muscles float it, and what gives muscles their shape called fascia.
Specifically in the book, he talks about the Front & Back Functional Lines. CLICK HERE for a post I did on this, featuring Ted Williams and Matt Kemp.
In the following video, Thomas Myers explains this idea of Tensegrity, or Tension-Integrity. There are compression and tension forces acting on the body at all times. Within the body these two opposing forces are always searching for balance…
For a hitter, if the body moves forward, but the back foot and leg stays behind, then these forces don’t get optimally transferred from body to barrel to ball. In other words, the backside gets “left behind”.
Hypothesis
Based on the above research, I think “squishing the bug” baseball swing mechanics will have a depressing effect on bat and hand speed because it doesn’t allow for full transfer of momentum and release of elastic energy in the springy fascia.
“Squish the Bug” Baseball Swing Mechanics Experiment
Forward momentum was taken out of this baseball swing mechanics experiment byhitting from a 1-2 second pause at landing
Back two “baseball markers” were set at about 3 baseballs apart
The two tests in the experiment were counter-balanced. Which consisted of eight blocks of 25-swings done in the following order ABBA BAAB. Say “squish the bug” was letter ‘A’, and “skipping back foot’ was letter ‘B’. 200 total swings were completed in the experiment, 100 per test. Counter-balancing helps remove the “getting tired” and “not being warmed” up factors.
Data Collected (Zepp Baseball App):
There were significant changes in Average Bat & Hand Speed, Time to Impact, and surprisingly, the hitter’s Attack Angle in this baseball swing mechanics experiment…
Data Analysis & Conclusion
+8-mph difference in average Impact Bat Speed, siding on “Skipping Back Foot”,
+3-mph difference in average Hand Speed Max, siding on “Skipping Back Foot”,,
-0.019 difference in average Time To Impact, siding on “Skipping Back Foot”, and
+4-degree difference in average Attack Angle, siding on “Skipping Back Foot”.
Notes
I think the “Squish the Bug” baseball swing mechanics experiment results were overwhelmingly clear.
Tyler did not technically keep his back foot posted to the ground during the “squish the bug” tests, so there still was an element of un-weighting going on with his backside.
In which case, measuring Ball Exit Speed (or how fast the ball came off the bat) may have netted interesting data to consider, compared to Impact Bat Speed. However, with the results with the other readings of Avg. Hand Speed, Time To Impact, and Attack Angle, I think we can put the “Squish the Bug” baseball swing mechanics myth to bed 😀
The data and results suggests that when a hitter “leaves behind their backside”, there’s a slowing down of forward momentum, and the body naturally decelerates because the springy fascia is forced to stretch, but not release.
Keep in mind what I call the Goldilocks Syndrome. The back foot can skip too far (porridge too hot), and it can also not skip at all (porridge too cold). We want the back foot to skip just right.
The Bottom Line?
In this “Squish the Bug” baseball swing mechanics experiment, “Skipping the Back Foot” showed a notable difference in average Bat & Hand Speed, Time To Impact, and the hitters Attack Angle. I want to encourage you to tinker and test this for yourself. The objective of these swing experiments is to put modern hitting theory to the test, literally. We NEED to test based on data, not feelings. Share these results with friends.
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SwingAway Baseball Swing Trainer: How-To Build A Swing You Can Be Proud Of…
This article presents a general framework to conduct 8th grade science fair project hitting experiment ideas for baseball and softball players. Sweet spot swing experiment topics should include Physics articles, books, facts, and questions. Using the scientific method is key…
I’ve wanted to do a “how-to experiment” post for a long time. But in the past, technology hadn’t quite caught up,
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…and NOW it has!
Mark Twain once said:
“Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect.”
I want:
…To lay out the landscape, in this Baseball Swing Trainer post, about using the SwingAway for conducting hitting experiments,
…This article to empower you to take up arms with me, and turn conventional hitting wisdom on its stubborn little head, and
…To inspire you to use modern technology to build a swing we ALL can be proud of.
I’m embarrassed to share the following story…
I did my first hitting experiment in the sixth grade with a buddy, for a school project.
My friend and I ran an experiment to see if a wood or aluminum bat could hit the ball farther.
One day after school, we pitched to each other at the Little League diamond we played our games at. We used two aluminum Easton baseball bats and a Ken Griffey Jr. signature Louisville Slugger woody. One aluminum bat was 32-inches and 24-ounces, and the other was 31-inches and 23-ounces. And I can’t remember what the woody measurements were, but it was comparable.
I think we might have hit about 50 balls with each bat (150 balls total) and get this…measured the distance with our feet! 😀 lol
Based on our results, guess which bat hit the ball the farthest? Wood or aluminum? The wood bat!!! Waaa??
Well, it was only because we weren’t being very scientific with our scientific experiment. One of the big reasons we didn’t get a good grade on the project was because we DID NOT isolate the variables…
We threw LIVE batting practice to each other. We should have used a baseball hitting trainer like a batting tee or SwingAway (wasn’t around at the time).
We both took turns hitting, and didn’t separate our individual batted ball distances.
We used different sized bats.
We measured using our own feet…I was a men’s 8/9 at the time, and my buddy was an 11. We should’ve used a rolling tape measure.
We only took a small data sample size. We should’ve hit 100 balls with the wood bat, and then 100 with aluminum. AND we should have only used one of the aluminum bats (preferably the one closest in size and weight to the woody). So 400 swings total (200 swings for me, 200 for my friend). Then compared apples to apples.
Remember, failure is only a detour, not a dead end 😉
The good news is,
You don’t have to be a scientist to run a hitting experiment.
What follows is the exact formula I use now, to run my hitting experiments using the SwingAway baseball swing trainer. My hopes is that you pick up arms, and join me in the fight…
The Definitive Guide to Conducting a Baseball Swing Trainer Experiment
Up until now, here are SIX hitting experiments I’ve run:
You can read the full list at the above swing experiment links. But here are a couple pieces of equipment that will have a drastic effect on bean counting and saving time doing the experiment itself…
Great tool for collecting data. It’s not perfect, but all we need is an apples to apples comparison. Unfortunately, the Zepp app DOES NOT allow you to separate experiment swings from recreational ones. You have to delete ALL swings before doing an experiment, unless you want to do the bean counting yourself.
You’ll also need to create two email accounts with Zepp to separate the two experiment tests. Zepp allows you to “Add a Hitter” in one account, but it doesn’t allow you to separate that data from other hitters or swings and average the data out.
SwingAway Baseball Swing Trainer
I just started using a SwingAway for my swing experiments. I used to hit the ball off an ATEC Tuffy Batting Tee, but it was taking me 2 1/2 to 3 hours to run my experiments. Fatigue could set in and skew the results. Some experiments where you’re looking at ball flight (like Bent Back Knee experiment above) will most definitely need to be done off a batting tee.
Using the SwingAway baseball swing trainer took me only 1 1/2 hours! NO need for:
Ball cleanup,
Ball setup, or
Waiting more than a few seconds for the ball to return to its stationary position.
This saved me a ton of time. All you need is a 10 X 10 space to conduct your SwingAway baseball swing trainer experiment.
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Limit Variables – The main objective of a baseball swing trainer hitting Experiment, is to isolate what you’re trying to test. Like my sixth grade experiment from earlier, there were too many variables that we didn’t control.
Priming the Pump – I always start an experiment by warming up my body with a pre-practice routine, similar to this Dr. Stanley Beekman’s post. You don’t have to do all included exercises, so pick about eight of them. I’ll also take about 10-15 swings focusing on the specific mechanic I’m going to be testing that day. For example, if I was testing showing the pitcher my numbers versus not, then I’d do 10-15 swings both ways, so 20-30 swings total before officially starting the experiment. We prime the pump so nobody can see, “Well, your numbers sucked in the beginning because you weren’t warmed up.”
Counter-Balancing – The two tests in the experiment should be counterbalanced. Which consisted of eight blocks of 25-swings done in the following order ABBA BAAB. Say “showing the numbers” was letter ‘A’, and “not showing the numbers” was letter ‘B’. 200 total swings are to be completed in the experiment, 100 per test. Counter-balancing helps remove the “getting tired” and “not being warmed” up factors.
More Data Points – I take at least 100 swings for both tests in the experiment, so 200 swings total (not counting warm-up swings). So, taking the “showing numbers” as an example, I’d take 100 swings showing my numbers, and then take another 100 swings not showing my numbers. The Zepp App is a useful technology, but isn’t super accurate. But the more data you collect, the closer to the “real” numbers you’ll get.
Break the Swing Apart – If you aren’t confident that you can repeat a specific mechanic consistently for 100 swings, then break the swing apart, like I talk about in this YouTube video. I did this in the showing the numbers experiment above.
Collect Ball Flight Data (optional) – for some mechanics, like testing the back leg angle during the turn experiment, it’s critical to collect ball flight data on the Zepp app. Zepp allows you to manually input where you hit the ball after each swing. Testing the grip on the bat would be another example. Also, adding Ball Exit Speed readings could enhance the baseball swing trainer experiment, Bushnell Velocity Radar Gun (about $80), or Stalker Radar Gun ($500+). ESPN’s HitTrackerOnline.com uses the latter in all MLB ballparks. Just remember, accuracy isn’t as important as an apples to apples comparison.
Recovery – I usually will give my body about 30-minutes rest between the first 100 swing test and the second. I now use supplement timing like Zach Calhoon maps out in these posts. I sip on Zach’s “concoction” throughout the full experiment to keep my muscles fueled. I then take Vitamin C and E capsules afterward to help with soreness.
Brainstorming Experiments – Don’t have any ideas on what to test? I did the heavy lifting for you. And by no means is this an exhaustive list of possible experiments. CLICK HERE for my brainstormed list.
Take Notes – make note of my “notes” in the above experiments. Basically, the notes section are things that you noticed while doing the tests that may not be apparent to the person reading about the experiment.
In Conclusion…
In this baseball swing trainer post about using the SwingAway for hitting experiments, I wanted to lay out the landscape and empower you to help me take up arms. I want to turn conventional hitting wisdom on its head, and use modern baseball swing trainer technology to build a swing we ALL can be proud of.
Let’s revisit the Mark Twain quote from earlier:
“Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect.”
I need your help and can’t fight this fight alone. I want you to take action…
My challenge to you is let’s band together and conduct 30 Experiments in the next 30 days. If all of us do at least one swing experiment, then we should be able to knock this goal out by July 15th.
Just post your baseball/softball hitting experiment results below in the comments section. Reply with:
What experiment you ran (from the brainstorm list above)?
How many swings per test (i.e. 100/100), and what order did you do the test?
What bat did you use (length, weight, and wood/aluminum)
Hit off tee or Swingaway baseball swing trainer?
What metric changes were significant (bat speed/hand speed/bat vertical angle at impact/attack angle/ball flight/ball exit speed)?
Thanks in advance for your baseball swing trainer experiment comments!
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Podcast interview with Mike Gillen. Private pitching velocity training and accuracy development program baseball coaching lessons for youth and beginners in Fresno, CA. We chat about baseball pitching drills, equipment, and balance in this interview.
Baseball Pitching Training Interview: Top Two Mistakes That Coaches Are Making in Baseball Pitching Training?
Here’s what we cover in this baseball pitching training interview with my pitching coach Michael Gillen from PitcherPerfectPro.com: (about 29-minute read time)
Give us a little look at your baseball pitching training setup over there.
Who you are, the kind of your mentors on the pitching side, who guides you and your training?
Top two mistakes that either pitchers or coaches are making in teaching pitching?
What do you feel with the whole Tommy John stuff? What do you feel like the top two issues that are leading to that?
When reading about spinal engine springy fascia, were you were able to apply those principles to pitching?
What are those two baseball pitching training things that you go, alright, we need to fix those right away?
Like hitting, is there such thing as over-rotating when pitching?
Tell people where your website is, your social media, any kind of deals or what kind of deals that you do, obviously, locally, right? But are you doing some online lessons? Let people know that kind of stuff.
As usual, I’ve transcribed the baseball pitching training interview for your convenience with handy-dandy little video timestamps. Enjoy the conversation with my favorite pitching coach, Mike Gillen, as we discuss baseball pitching training…
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Back Foot Position · Hip Rotation · Pelvis Perpendicular to Impact
If you’ve ever told a hitter to open the hips and then watched them roll over every outside pitch, here’s what’s happening: the back foot baseball swing most coaches teach sends the pelvis to the wrong target. A correct back foot baseball swing doesn’t rotate to the pitcher — it rotates to the ball.
For example, a coach named Brian from Canada spent weeks watching slow-motion video of Robinson Canó, trying to understand why the back foot wasn’t staying sideways at contact. From the side view, it looked like full hip rotation — back foot rolling forward, sometimes lifting off the ground. But when Brian switched to pitcher-side footage and paused at the exact moment of contact, something different appeared. The pelvis was perpendicular to where the ball was hit — not perpendicular to the pitcher.
That’s the entire principle behind the back foot sideways cue. And it’s the most misunderstood mechanical concept in baseball coaching.
Joey Myers has studied baseball swing mechanics for 15+ years and has broken down hundreds of elite hitters frame by frame. This post is a direct follow-up to the Matt Nokes post and the questions it generated from coaches around the country.
What Does “Back Foot Sideways” Mean in a Back Foot Baseball Swing?
In a correctly executed back foot baseball swing, the back foot stays sideways at contact because the pelvis stops rotating when it becomes perpendicular to the impact point — not when the belly button faces the pitcher. Understanding this distinction is the difference between a back foot baseball swing that produces hard contact to all fields and one that only works on inside pitches. The distinction matters more than most coaches realize.
Think of the back foot as a governor on a car engine. A governor prevents an engine from exceeding a set RPM regardless of how hard the driver pushes the accelerator. In the same way, the back foot anchors the trailing hip from spinning past the contact zone. When the governor functions correctly, the pelvis stops rotating at the right moment and the barrel has a clear path through the zone.
When the governor fails — when the hips over-rotate and spin fully open before or at contact — the barrel gets dragged around the ball instead of driven through it. Weak ground balls to the pull side. Routine outs on pitches that should be driven.
Additionally, the squish the bug movement — pivoting the back heel like putting out a cigarette — is the extreme version of this problem. It encourages maximum back foot rotation, which means maximum hip rotation, which means the pelvis is pointing at the pitcher instead of at the ball. For a look at how elite hitters actually use the lower body, the leg drive breakdown with Rizzo, Altuve, and Trout covers the full sequence.
In other words, the back foot sideways cue isn’t about restricting hip rotation. It’s about directing hip rotation to the right target: impact, not the pitcher.
Why the Camera Angle You Use Determines Everything You See
However, the chest-on and side-view camera angles are the most misleading positions for evaluating a back foot baseball swing. From those angles, the back foot rotation after contact looks identical to back foot rotation at contact. The timing information disappears.
Brian’s original confusion came from exactly this problem. He was watching Canó from the side view and pausing after the ball left the bat. By that point, the follow-through has already pulled the back foot forward. That’s just balance recovery — the swing is already finished. The contact frame had already passed.
The three camera angles that reveal what’s actually happening in the back foot baseball swing are:
✅ Pitcher-Side View
The best angle. Shows the exact orientation of the foot and pelvis at the contact frame. This is where you’ll see whether the hips stopped at the ball or spun past it.
✅ Catcher-Side View
Also reliable. Shows hip orientation at the contact zone clearly. Slower motion from this angle reveals the pelvis angle at the moment of impact.
✅ Overhead View
Excellent for seeing pelvis angle relative to impact location simultaneously. You can draw a mental line through the hips and compare it to the contact point.
❌ Chest-On / Side View
Misleading for this analysis. Makes over-rotation look identical to correct rotation. Do not use this angle to evaluate back foot position or pelvis orientation at contact.
Therefore, if you use video analysis software to review your hitters, this is the single most important setup change you can make: get the camera at pitcher-side, at about hip height, and pause at the contact frame — not after.
How Pitch Location Changes Back Foot Rotation in a Baseball Swing
In other words, the back foot position at contact is not the same on every pitch — and it shouldn’t be. A correct back foot baseball swing naturally produces different amounts of rotation depending on where the pitch crosses the plate.
Pitch Location
Hip Rotation at Contact
Back Foot at Contact
Typical Batted Ball
Inside
More — pelvis further open
May come around slightly
Pull-side line drive or fly ball
Middle
Moderate — pelvis near perpendicular
Sideways at contact
Up the middle, slight pull
Outside
Minimal — hips stay sideways
Barely rotates, may stay flat
Opposite-field line drive
For example, on the specific outside-corner fastball Brian was watching — 89 mph, Canó hitting a knock to the opposite field — the back foot barely rotated at all. The knee and the back foot were aligned at contact. The pelvis pointed toward the gap. That’s exactly what you’d expect on an outside pitch in a proper back foot baseball swing.
The foot that Brian saw pulling forward and lifting off the ground? That happened after contact — during the follow-through as Canó caught his balance and started toward first base. It had nothing to do with the contact position.
The Hip Rotation Cue That’s Quietly Creating Ground Ball Machines
“Belly button to the pitcher” is one of the most common hip rotation cues in baseball coaching. The goal is good — encourage hip involvement in the back foot baseball swing. But the target is wrong, and the result on outside pitches is predictable.
If the hips must fully rotate on every pitch — belly button facing the pitcher regardless of location — the pelvis is pointing at the pitcher at the moment of contact on any pitch that isn’t inside. On a down-the-middle or outside pitch, that means the hips have over-rotated past the contact zone before the barrel arrives. The bat is dragging behind the body. The ball gets hit with the barrel pulling across it, producing roll-over ground balls to the pull side.
This is also why some hitters produce good results on inside pitches and consistently struggle on anything away — the “belly button to the pitcher” cue works reasonably well on pitches inside, where the contact point is farther forward and more hip rotation naturally lines up with impact. On outside pitches, the same instruction breaks contact.
Additionally, research on how much pelvis rotation contributes to exit velocity shows that the pelvis does drive power significantly — but only when it’s sequenced correctly. More rotation isn’t better if the pelvis overshoots the contact point. The data from the Zepp swing experiment on hip sequencing supports this: hips leading is critical, but “more” doesn’t always mean “better” at the contact frame.
Therefore, the fix isn’t to slow the hips down. It’s to point them at the right target. Perpendicular to impact — not perpendicular to the pitcher.
2 Drills to Train the Back Foot Baseball Swing in Batting Practice
However, telling a hitter to “stop the hips at the ball” changes nothing in a game without training the feel in practice first. These two drills build the body awareness that makes perpendicular-to-impact automatic.
Drill 1: The Impact Freeze Drill
Set up front toss or use a tee. After every swing, the hitter freezes at contact — no follow-through. Film from the pitcher-side angle. Check: is the back foot baseball swing position correct at contact — pelvis perpendicular to where the ball was hit — or has it already spun past? The front hip pocket should point at the impact zone. Do 10 freeze-reps per session before allowing full follow-through swings. This builds the proprioceptive awareness of where the hips are actually stopping, which most hitters have never consciously felt before.
For example, Matt Nokes used a variation of this concept in his teaching. Mark Meger, a coach who commented on the original Nokes post, put it well: “With our 13U kids we do emphasize the rear hip drive but we shun turning that back foot. That should happen after contact.” The freeze drill makes that timing concrete.
Drill 2: The Opposite Field Tee Drill
Place the tee on the outer third of home plate, slightly behind the midpoint of the stance. Hitter drives the ball to the opposite field gap. Over-rotation shows up instantly — roll-over ground ball to the pull side every time. When the hips stop at the right point, perpendicular to the impact zone, the barrel stays through the ball and it jumps the other way with backspin. Run 10 drives per session aimed at the opposite-field gap. This is also the fastest drill for identifying which hitters are actually applying the concept versus which ones are just nodding.
For additional context on how the Mickey Mantle footwork drill addresses shifting foot pressure and how the RopeBat drill reinforces opposite-field contact, both posts show the same principle from different angles. Together they form a complete picture of lower-body sequencing in an elite back foot baseball swing.
Finally, within 3–5 sessions combining these two drills, most hitters show a noticeable reduction in roll-over ground balls on outside pitches. A proper back foot baseball swing produces a longer barrel path through the zone — which means more margin for error on pitch location and more consistent hard contact to all fields.
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In practice, coaches who’ve worked through this analysis with their players often report the same sequence: confusion first (“but I see the foot rolling forward in highlights”), then a camera angle change, then a frame-by-frame pause at contact, then clarity. The shift from “belly button to the pitcher” to “pelvis perpendicular to impact” typically shows up in measurable changes in batted ball direction within a few sessions of deliberate drill work.
Most importantly, this principle isn’t reserved for .300 hitters. Roberto Perez hit two home runs in Game 1 of the 2016 World Series with a career average around .220. In both contact frames — first homer to left field, second to left-center — you can see the back foot behavior clearly: sideways at contact, rotating through on the follow-through. The principle works at every level of the game.
Frequently Asked Questions
What is the correct back foot position at contact in a baseball swing?
The back foot baseball swing position at contact keeps the foot roughly sideways — shoelaces pointing toward the pitcher or slightly past, not fully rotating forward. The back foot mirrors the pelvis: if the pelvis is perpendicular to the impact point, the foot will be close to sideways. On inside pitches, both rotate more. On outside pitches, both stay more sideways. The follow-through is when the foot finally pulls forward, not during the swing itself.
Why do coaches teach “squish the bug” if it creates over-rotation?
The squish the bug cue came from a well-intentioned goal — get the back hip firing through the zone. The problem is the movement it produces: the back heel pivoting forward encourages full hip rotation toward the pitcher, which overshoots the contact point on any pitch that isn’t inside. It’s not that coaches teaching it were wrong about hip involvement — they were right. The target was just off. The hip should drive through the ball, stopping when the pelvis is perpendicular to impact, not when it’s facing the mound.
Does back foot rotation change based on inside vs. outside pitches?
Yes — and this is exactly what confused Brian in the original post. On an inside pitch, the contact point is farther forward in the stance and the hips need to rotate more to reach it. More hip rotation means more back foot movement. On an outside pitch, contact happens farther back and the hips barely rotate at all — the back foot stays almost flat. This is normal and correct. Coaches who expect the back foot to look the same on every pitch are comparing contact frames across different pitch locations, which leads to the exact confusion Brian described.
Should the back foot stay down or come off the ground during the swing?
Either can be fine, depending on the pitch and the hitter. The back foot skips in some cases and stays planted in others. Some hitters skip toward the plate, some toward the front foot, a few toward home plate. What matters is that the foot’s movement doesn’t cause the pelvis to over-rotate past contact. The key check is always the contact frame: is the back foot still sideways when the barrel meets the ball? If yes, the mechanics are working correctly regardless of what the foot does before or after.
What camera angle should I use to analyze my hitter’s back foot baseball swing?
Use pitcher-side, catcher-side, or overhead angles — and pause at the contact frame specifically. The chest-on and side views make it nearly impossible to evaluate the back foot accurately because they flatten out the three-dimensional pelvis rotation into a two-dimensional image that looks the same whether the hips are at 45 degrees or 90 degrees relative to the pitcher. Pitcher-side is the most practical for most coaches to set up with a phone during batting practice.
Can youth hitters under 12 learn the pelvis perpendicular concept?
Yes — and they often pick it up faster than older hitters because they haven’t had years of incorrect hip rotation cues reinforced. Skip the terminology: don’t say “pelvis perpendicular to impact” to an 8-year-old. Say “freeze your hips at the ball” or “stop your back hip right where you hit it.” The Impact Freeze Drill works well at youth levels because it gives younger players a clear physical reference point for what stopping at contact actually feels like. The Opposite Field Tee Drill confirms it’s working — when a youth hitter starts driving the outside tee to the gap instead of rolling it over to shortstop, the concept has transferred.
Does stopping the hips earlier hurt bat speed or power in a back foot baseball swing?
No — and understanding why is important for coaches who worry about this. Power in a rotational swing comes from hip-to-shoulder separation: the hips lead, the upper body resists, the resulting torque is what drives bat speed. If the hips fully open before the upper body catches up, that separation collapses and the torque is lost. Keeping the hips perpendicular to impact — rather than rotating fully to the pitcher — actually preserves more hip-to-shoulder separation for longer, which can increase rather than decrease power on pitches down the middle and away.
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What is the proper youth hand bat grip for right and left-handed baseball softball hitters? Is door knocking knuckles the correct hold or is the “box” grip better. I’d argue the gorilla grip is best, evidenced in this swing experiment.
Look at the hands of Babe Ruth… Photo courtesy: PhotoBucket.com (user: BillBurgess)
Question: Do Relaxed Hands Really Lead to Higher Bat Speeds?
Using the Zepp knob sensor which you can’t get anymore, so instead grab a BlastMotion sensor. I wanted to use the Scientific Method to analyze whether having relaxed hands or “hand-tension” – pre-turn – increases or decreases bat speed.
Background Research
To me, it just always looked like the all-time greats – Babe Ruth – were squeezing the handle of the bat into sawdust before going into their turn. I’m basing this experiment off the following research and study:
In the podcast, Pavel talks about how the hands can be used to recruit more muscle tissue and connect larger areas of the body.
2. Homer Kelly
In his book, The Golfing Machine, Homer Kelly talks of four power accumulators…in particular, the first power accumulator (p.70 in the 7th edition):
“…is the Bent Right Arm – the Hitter’s Muscle Power Accumulator. Even though the Right Biceps is active, the Backstroke is always made with the Right Arm striving to remain straight. But the straight Left Arm restraints this continuous Extensor Action of the right triceps with an effortless Checkerin Action. Consequently, during Release, the Right Arm can straighten only as the Left Arm moves away from the Right Shoulder. This results in a smooth, even Thrust For acceleration of the Lever Assemblies from an otherwise unruly force.”
3. Front Arm Fascial Lines
Thomas Myers talks about Front Arm Fascial Lines in his book Anatomy Trains. These lines travel from the bottom three fingers (pinky, ring, and middle), across the chest, to the bottom three fingers of the opposite hand. It’s these three fingers that connect these springy fascial lines found within the torso to whatever we hold in our hands. It’s this hand tension, or finger pressure, that has fixed stubborn bat drag issues in my own hitters.
Hypothesis
Because of the previously mentioned research, I think the swing with Babe Ruth “hand-tension” will result in higher bat speed, and possibly other performance metrics, like max hand speed, time to impact, etc., that will be measured using the Zepp Baseball App.
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Yellow dimple ball feedback markers = my bat length, plus two baseballs
Distance from plate = end of the bat touching inside corner of plate, and knob of bat touching my mid-thigh.
Tee was set slightly behind the front feedback marker, and tee height was about mid-thigh.
First 100 baseballs were hit WITHOUT pre-turn “hand-tension”.
Second 100 baseballs were hit WITH pre-turn “hand-tension”.
Data Collected (Zepp Baseball App):
Check out the difference in average Bat Speed and average Time To Impact…
Data Analysis & Conclusion
Look at the difference in the Bat Vertical at Impact and Attack angles. This is the reason for the higher Fly Ball & Line Drive percentages…
When using pre-turn Babe Ruth “hand-tension”:
+3 mph average bat speed
Higher Max Bat Speed numbers
More horizontal bat angle at impact (matching pitch plane)
+6 degrees in attack angle
More productive outcomes (line-drives & fly-balls).
Notes
I had trouble finding a proper slot for my hands WITHOUT pre-turn hand tension. With it, I found more consistency with “educated” pre-tension Babe Ruth hands.
In the video, you can clearly see a better barrel launch angle when I had pre-turn “hand-tension”.
In the video, you can see an earlier barrel on the pitch-plane (probably as a result of the better barrel launch angle).
WITHOUT hand tension, my Zepp bat speeds swung wildly from swing to swing. Whereas with pre-turn hand-tension, my bat speed numbers were more stable, staying within the 72-78 mph range.
I warmed up using the ProHammer bat, to prime my swing to not roll over when I started the Experiment. Interesting to note that WITHOUT pre-turn hand tension, I began rolling over for the first 10-15 swings.
My upper half felt much more connected during the swing when I had pre-turn hand-tension.
The -1 degree vertical angle at impact was a much better improvement using pre-turn “hand-tension”. Now, most of my Line Drives were about 8-12 feet off the ground. My back foot was drifting forward a little much, so taming that and maintaining a 90-degree angle with the back leg, would push that vertical angle at impact even lower. And as a result, would angle my drives up more.
The Bottom Line?
The Babe Ruth Pre-Turn “Hand-Tension” Experiment highlighted what Homer Kelly calls “educating the hands”. This Experiment suggests that the old dogma of keep your hands “loose” before you turn holds no water. This is another example of backwards thinking that’s been taught for decades. All my hitters, from pro and college to Little League, say how much more bat speed they have when they use pre-turn “hand-tension”. I urge you all to repeat the same experiment and report what you find in the comments below. Test…Test…Test these dogmas, so we can finally put the ol’ dog to bed.
*EXPERIMENT UPDATE*: Thanks to my friend Lee Comeaux, who is a professional golf instructor, for further simplifying the finger pressure technique…have the hitter squeeze the bottom three fingers (pinky, ring, and middle) of the top hand ONLY, from the moment the hitter picks up their stride foot to all the way through impact. This alone has cleared up stubborn bat drag issues with my hitters from TEN to SIXTEEN years old.
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The toughest swing flaw to fix bat drag in youth hitters isn’t the one that looks the worst on video — it’s the one that looks fine at normal speed. A hitter with racing rear elbow swings hard. The barrel gets to the zone. And coaches watching from the third-base line miss it entirely until the weak flares and rolled-over grounders pile up.
This post covers the exact case study that changed how I approach bat drag: my local hitter Zach May, a 6’4″ sophomore in high school who had struggled with a racing rear elbow for over a year. In one 30-minute session using Reactive Neuromuscular Training (RNT), we eliminated the racing rear elbow — not just on one pitch, but across the board. Here’s everything we did, and the free drill sheet that goes with it. (In a hurry? Jump straight to the free Bat Drag Fix Drill Sheet ↓)
What is bat drag — and why do coaches call it a racing rear elbow?
Bat drag and racing rear elbow are the same flaw described from two different camera angles. Specifically, racing rear elbow is what it looks like from the front: the rear elbow races past the hands toward the center of the body before contact instead of staying behind them. In contrast, bat drag is what it looks like from the side: the barrel takes a wide, looping arc away from the body before entering the hitting zone, arriving late and at a shallow angle.
The result is a premature barrel dump. When the barrel dumps early, hitters either:
Flare or miss completely to the opposite field — the ball goes over the barrel because it has dropped out of the zone
Roll over or get jammed on inside pitches — the wide arc creates a natural handcuff effect
As a result, it’s a frustrating flaw to fix bat drag with conventional instruction because every upper-body cue — “keep your elbow in,” “stay connected,” “knob to the ball” — works in isolation and disappears under game-speed stress. Therefore, the fix has to come from somewhere else entirely — and I’ll show you exactly where.
What symptoms reveal a racing rear elbow bat drag problem?
Three lower-body symptoms appear consistently in rear-racing-elbow hitters — and none of them are arm problems.
In Zach’s case — and I’ve seen this cluster repeat across enough hitters to call it a pattern — those three things showed up in his swing:
Front leg not getting to straight at or past impact. With a lot of forward momentum in his stride, Zach’s front knee was staying bent through contact instead of straightening. That matters more than most coaches realize — I’ll explain why in the next section.
Back knee not reaching 90–105 degrees during the turn. The back knee angle is a pelvis rotation indicator. When it stays too straight or collapses too far, the hips can’t fully rotate, and the shoulders and arms pick up the slack — which is exactly how bat drag is born.
Downhill shoulder angle before landing. Zach’s shoulders were getting level before he even landed, rather than staying in the slightly downhill angle that sets up the correct swing plane through the zone.
Most importantly, none of these are upper-body problems. They’re lower-body and hip problems that express themselves as a bat drag pattern in the arms. That’s why trying to fix bat drag by coaching the arms rarely sticks. You can read more on the connection in this post about top hand drills that address the bat drag pattern from a different angle.
Recognize all three symptoms in your hitter? The free Bat Drag Fix Drill Sheet ↓ has the complete RNT protocol and finger pressure cue on one printable page — grab it at the bottom of this post.
How does front knee position affect your ability to fix bat drag?
Front knee position determines whether the pelvis can fully rotate — and incomplete pelvis rotation is the most common cause of bat drag in tall, high-forward-momentum hitters.
Whether the front knee should stay bent or straighten at contact is one of the more contested debates in hitting instruction. However, the answer depends entirely on forward momentum — and understanding that distinction is essential to figuring out why the bat drag showed up in the first place.
Hitters like Mark McGwire and Mark Teixeira — big, wide-base striders with less forward momentum — keep a slight flex in the front knee through contact, and it works. But hitters like Jose Bautista and Josh Donaldson, who drive significant forward momentum into their swing, need the front knee to go from bent at landing to straight through impact. That transition is what transfers energy from a forward (sagittal) plane to a rotational (transverse) plane using ground reaction forces.
Think of an NFL wide receiver running a 10-yard cut route. He’s moving at top speed (forward momentum), plants his foot, bends his knee, then straightens it explosively as he changes direction — using the ground to redirect his energy. Drop and turn. That’s the same mechanism a high-FoMo hitter needs. For a deeper breakdown of the planes of motion involved, Wikipedia’s anatomical planes of motion reference is a useful primer.
Zach is 6’4″ and uses a lot of forward momentum. When his front knee didn’t get to straight, his pelvis couldn’t fully rotate, his back shoulder and arm picked up the slack — and racing rear elbow followed every time. Fix the front knee timing, and the upper body problem resolves on its own.
One update worth noting: we’ve since moved away from treating front knee straightening as an absolute requirement across all hitters. Hitters like Bellinger, Seager, and Rizzo keep significant front knee bend on pitches below the belt line and still produce elite exit velocities. The principle applies strongly to high-forward-momentum hitters — not universally.
How do you run the RNT resistance band drill to fix bat drag?
Reactive Neuromuscular Training works by deliberately feeding the mistake rather than fighting it. Instead of telling a hitter to correct a faulty pattern, RNT applies resistance that exaggerates the pattern — triggering the body’s automatic, reflexive correction response. In other words, it’s a faster re-patterning method than verbal cues because the nervous system responds to sensory input more reliably than to instructions.
Two long resistance bands positioned as high up the thighs as possible (keep them above “the goods” to avoid injury). We used a heavier black band in front and a lighter red band in back, sourced from performbetter.com. A coach holds the front band; the back band is anchored.
Front band function: pulls the front leg backward, keeping the front knee bent — feeding the mistake. The hitter must resist by driving the front leg to straight, using ground reaction force.
Back band function: pulls the back leg forward, keeping the back knee from bending properly during the turn. The hitter must resist by driving the back knee to 90 degrees.
The hitter resists both bands simultaneously during the turn — which forces the pelvis to rotate fully and removes the conditions that create bat drag.
First, we broke the swing into two parts (load phase, then turn) before putting it together at full speed. The before-and-after comparison — both swings synced up 30 minutes apart — shows the elbow going from visibly racing ahead to pinned into the rib cage where it belongs.
Critical safety note: The person holding the front band is in the path of a swinging bat. This drill must always be facilitated by an adult coach who knows to clear the path. Do not run it as a teammate-to-teammate drill, especially with younger players who can’t stop their swing mid-motion.
Why does finger pressure fix bat drag when mechanics cues fail?
Even after the RNT drill produced visible improvement in Zach’s swing, the correction that made it permanent was simpler: finger pressure.
Finger pressure means squeezing the bottom three fingers of the top hand — hard — from the moment the front foot lifts, through the load, all the way to contact. That squeeze is what keeps the hands physically linked to the turning torso. Without it, a hitter can have correct hip rotation and front knee action, and the elbow will still race ahead — because the hands separate from the body during the turn.
The instruction is straightforward: “Bottom three fingers of the top hand — squeeze from foot-lift to contact.” Coaches often skip this cue because it sounds too simple. However, it addresses the bat drag at the exact point of failure: the connection between hand path and body rotation.
Related to this is wrist pronation — the active turning of the wrists through the hitting zone. This concept, which we explore through Hank Aaron’s wrist snap mechanics, naturally pins the rear elbow into the rib cage as a byproduct of the wrist action itself. In some hitters, pronation-focused training produces even faster results than the RNT drill alone.
The free drill sheet below combines the RNT setup and the finger pressure cue into one printable page — everything you need to run this at your next practice.
Free Printable Drill Sheet
Bat Drag Fix Drill Sheet
RNT resistance band setup · Finger pressure cue · Step-by-step protocol · Common errors + fixes. One printable page.
Watch the before-and-after comparison from Zach’s 30-minute session — you can see the rear elbow go from racing past the hands to staying pinned against the rib cage across every pitch:
Coaches using the HPL system
“Minimum of 10-mph was added to exit velocity. What you say/teach works.”
Jared Rehm — 12U Softball & Varsity Softball Coach
“He was batting .320 no HRs. Last 30 games he batted .560 as a righty and .584 as a lefty with 5 HRs!”
Jack A. Martin — Youth Baseball Coach
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RNT setup, finger pressure cue, and full step-by-step protocol. One page, printable.
Does wrist pronation fix bat drag faster than the RNT drill alone?
In some cases, yes. Wrist pronation — the active rotation of the wrists through the hitting zone at contact — naturally pins the rear elbow into the rib cage as a byproduct of the movement pattern itself. Hitters who respond better to feel-based cues than resistance-based training often get faster results from pronation work.
The practical cue is “turn the wrists over through the ball” — which sounds simple but requires the elbow to stay behind the hands for the pronation to work correctly. It’s a different entry point to the same correction. We cover this concept in depth in the Hank Aaron wrist snap post above. For hitters who keep reverting after the RNT drill, adding pronation drills in the same session dramatically improves retention.
Also worth noting: over-rotation is a bat drag trigger we see frequently when rotational mechanics are over-coached. If a hitter is being drilled repeatedly on “rotate more, rotate faster,” the compensation is often a racing elbow. Sometimes fixing bat drag means dialing back the rotation cue, not adding more work on top of it.
If bat drag is producing ground balls and weak contact, this overview of how to stop hitting ground balls covers the next layer of the fix — what the barrel does once the drag is corrected.
Bat drag — called racing rear elbow — is caused by the rear elbow racing past the hands toward the body’s midline before contact. This dumps the barrel early and produces weak opposite-field contact or rolled-over pull-side grounders. The root cause is almost always incomplete hip rotation: when the hips can’t fully clear, the arms and shoulders compensate, and the elbow gets ahead of the hands. Front knee timing and back knee angle are the two most common contributors in high-forward-momentum hitters.
How do you fix bat drag fast without a hitting aid?
The fastest no-equipment way to fix bat drag is the finger pressure cue: squeeze the bottom three fingers of the top hand from foot-lift to contact. This keeps the hands physically connected to the turning torso and prevents the elbow from racing ahead even when hip rotation is correct. Add the RNT resistance band drill in the same session for the most durable correction. Both are included in the free Bat Drag Fix Drill Sheet above.
What is Reactive Neuromuscular Training (RNT) and how does it fix bat drag?
RNT deliberately feeds a movement mistake to trigger the body’s automatic self-correction. For bat drag, two resistance bands are positioned high on the thighs: one feeds the front-knee-stays-bent mistake, one feeds the back-knee-stays-straight mistake. The hitter resists both during the turn, forcing the correct pattern to emerge reflexively. The brain learns correct movement faster through sensory resistance than through verbal instruction — which is why a single 30-minute RNT session can produce changes that weeks of verbal coaching couldn’t.
Does the front knee have to straighten to fix bat drag?
It depends on the hitter’s forward momentum. High-FoMo hitters like Jose Bautista and Josh Donaldson need the front knee to go from bent at landing to straight through impact — this uses ground reaction forces to transfer energy from a forward plane to a rotational plane and allows the hips to fully clear. Hitters with less forward momentum (wide-stance, little-strider types) can keep more flex in the front knee and still rotate fully. The front knee check matters most when bat drag appears in a tall, aggressive-striding hitter.
What does finger pressure do to fix a racing rear elbow?
Finger pressure — squeezing the bottom three fingers of the top hand from foot-lift through contact — keeps the hands connected to the rotating torso. Without it, even hitters with correct hip rotation can show bat drag because the hands separate from the body during the turn and the barrel goes wide. The cue is the simplest fix in the kit, and it’s the one that tends to make RNT corrections permanent rather than temporary.
How long does it take to fix bat drag with the RNT drill?
In the Zach May case study documented here, racing rear elbow was visibly eliminated within one 30-minute session. Most hitters see measurable improvement in one to three sessions. The correction tends to hold best when the RNT drill and finger pressure cue are run together, and when the hitter understands the why — that bat drag is a hip rotation problem expressing itself in the arms, not an arm problem to be fixed in the arms.
Can you fix bat drag at home without resistance bands?
Yes. Finger pressure alone produces meaningful bat drag improvement with no equipment: squeeze the bottom three fingers of the top hand from foot-lift to contact on tee work, soft toss, or shadow swings. Wrist pronation drills — focusing on actively turning the wrists through the hitting zone — also address the pattern equipment-free. The free Bat Drag Fix Drill Sheet includes the at-home variation of the protocol so coaches and parents can run it without resistance bands.
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